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NHS Event: Live Blog

April 24th, 2012 by

Today, two big private healthcare companies, are planning to schmooze leading GPs at a London conference. Over the last 48 hours more than 20,000 38 Degrees members have chipped-in to try and level the playing field. We’ve invited doctors to our own patient-sponsored event down the road, just after their conference finishes. We’ll be live blogging details right here as the event progresses.

NHS Event jargon buster
Industry conferences can be full of jargon and acronyms so we’ve put together a quick cheat-sheet below.

  • CCG - Clinical Commissioning Groups are replacing Primary Care Groups and will decide how care of patients works and advise patients on where to go for treatment. The groups will mostly feature GPs.
  • Hospitals as foundation trusts will compete for treatment contracts from these CCGs. For further info on what the Health and Social Care Bill will change;
  • The conference - The event organised by two big private healthcare companies to discuss how CCGs will be defined. All Clinical Commissioning Group Leaders have been invited. Also in attendance: Secretary of State Andrew Lansley.
  • Capita and United Healthcare - The big private companies wanting influence and access to GPs.
  • Sponsors - Supporters of the 38 Degrees event who want GPs to hear from experts explaining the role patients can play in helping to protect our NHS – and why they need to listen to us, not just big business.
  • NHS - Amongst the best healthcare systems in the world. The organisation we’re fighting to stand up for. The Health and Social Care Act has set in place a framework that pushes the NHS towards fragmentation and privatisation. But with the right campaigning, we could slow the pace of these changes or even change their direction.
  • GPs - Local decision-makers who are now tasked with implementing the new NHS structure. In charge of deciding the future of local health services, and now being closely watched by 38 Degrees members!
  • Patients - People who might need the NHS! People who 38 Degrees members have voted to fight for in our latest members poll

Earlier this morning: 8am 
38 Degrees team members had an early start as they showed up to the conference early armed with cupcakes and a smile to invite GPs to the people powered event later in the evening. Read Becky’s report here.

Here’s a tweet from one of the attendees:

Amusingly, 38 Degrees are very politely picketing the NAPC/Alliance conference. With cupcakes…

— David Williams (@d_williams_) April 24, 2012


We’ve just set-up the room in which the event will happen. Pride of place is this massive projection of some of the 20,000+ members who have donated to this patient powered evening. We reckon it will take over 90 minutes to get through all the names.

List of donors

Here’s a reminder of who’s going to be in the room speaking. We’ll have highlights here as we go.

  • Zoe Williams (chair) Guardian columnist and journalist, who has recently written about our NHS campaign. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoe_Williams
  • Dr David Wrigley Patient & Public Engagement Lead for Lancashire North CCG. GP in Carnforth, Lancashire. Member of BMA UK Council and the BMA General Practitioners Committee. http://drdavidwrigley.blogspot.co.uk/
  • Dr Louise Irvine GP in Lewisham, Member of Executive of London Regional Council of BMA, and Programme Director in Lewisham for GP Specialist Training
  • Dr Ron Singer Retired GP from Edmonton, with over 30 years’ experience working in the NHS, sits on the general practice committee of the BMA.
  • Roy Lilley NHS Writer, broadcaster, commentator. Trustee of Patient Choice initiative, founding member of NHS Trust Foundation. http://www.roylilley.co.uk/CV_page.html


UPDATE: Speakers

David greets panel members

UPDATE: First up to speak is Dr David Wrigley. He urges all of us to talk to our own GP at the end of a consultation. Make sure they know we’re worried about what’s happening. It’s fundamental that the trust between us and our doctors is not destroyed by these changes. Campaigning on this issue could make a big difference.

UPDATE: Next Dr Ron Singer who says there are going to be tensions between patients and their CCGs. Because of the bill  what the NHS provides will have to shrink. There are new organisations and professional relationships have changed.

UPDATE: Dr Louise Irvine now speaks. She has been campaigning on the NHS for the last year and a half from street theatre to public meetings.  She asks us if we know that health companies are already buying up huge parts of the NHS and if we’re happy about this. People care about the NHS she says but they don’t know what’s going on. We lost the battle on the bill, but we have to keep on fighting to defend the NHS. We have to be pragmatic, but that’s not abandoning our principles,
Dr Irvine asks us what’s the reality. The CCG is a contested territory. One of the good things about GPs is their ‘fierce independence’. So let’s test how much autonomy the CCGs have. We can be a powerful force for CCGs. We can help them get legal advice to say that they don’t have to put things out to tender.

The big danger is if patients and public lose interest. 38 Degrees should be involved with organizing patient pathways – Dr David Wrigley

UPDATE: Roy Lilley: We have to steel ourselves for a different NHS for financial reasons, if you think this is bad you ain’t seen nothing yet. These are very serious times that point to smaller governments and services which will change the relationship between government and the people. That means big changes for GPs. We’ll all have to hold ourselves to account for the health services.
There’s no good CCGs saying they’re obeying the law with letters and posters.  We’ve got to watch carefully and scrutinise. If it’s ‘our’ NHS, then only we can put the ‘our’ back in it.  External forces will make us redefine healthcare, we’ll have to put a new rationale behind the use of resources. His big concern is the public will show their concern too later.

UPDATE: David Babbs if he thinks there is any negatives to people powered action. Louise Irvine says absolutely not. Roy Lilley has a concern about politicisation. He says we need to keep a close eye on Healthwatch, who have to only meet their CCG once per year. We’ve got to become the friend to the CCG, not the enemy. We’ve got to find a new language to contribute.

UPDATE: Campaigning doesn’t need to be (party) political as 38 Degrees members have shown.  – David Wrigley

UPDATE: A member of the audience (of GPs) suggests there could be some mileage in putting current local engagement in historical context. Taking it back to 1948 could be very helpful.

UPDATE: Roy Lilley says that for the average guy in the street, nothing’s changed. The 18 week target is holding up. Broadly the NHS is performing out of its socks. The public will only notice when performance drops.

Roy Lilley adds that we’ll need sharp eyes watching regulation.

UPDATE: An audience member says there should be a website for legal advice that would support progressive CCGs. In addition it be useful to have something in plain English which would tell people our rights in the NHS and the new bodies like CCGs. .

UPDATE: That’s it for the live blog. We’ll have a report full of all the ideas and suggestions from both panel and audience just as soon as we can.

This article was amended on 25/04/12 to delete a paragraph which appeared twice, and to add Dr Louise Irvine’s full name and title alongside her contributions to the discussion.

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Planning: New menace to our countryside

September 19th, 2011 by

Green belt destruction

Photograph by Raymond Zoller

Our English countryside is under threat again. The government is trying to rush through massive changes to the planning system, which would make it much easier to build on green field sites. We have just a few weeks to stop this happening.

Experts are lining up to condemn the government plans. The National Trust warns of “unchecked and damaging development”. Friends of the Earth predicts “a building free-for-all that will blight our countryside with bad building”.

A massive people-powered petition can make the government think again. It worked to stop England’s forests being sold off. It can work again to stop precious countryside being wrecked by bulldozers and concrete.

Please add your name now, then forward this message to all your friends: 38degrees.org.uk/save-our-countryside

The government says their plans, called the National Planning Policy Framework (NPPF), are in the name of economic growth and “sustainable development”. Yet we know that foolishly handing over more power to developers to bulldoze over our countryside is not the path to Britian’s long-term happiness or prosperity. Nor do they bother to actually define or explain what “sustainable development” is or how it would work in a system so heavily weighted in favour of big developers – leading experts to complain it’s mere spin.

Jonathon Porritt, former head of the Sustainable Development Commission, outlines some of his concerns: “ it is just a bit of a problem that there is no reference to environmental limits in the NPPF, no reference to health, no reference to social justice, and no reference to the practicalities of delivering low-carbon growth.”

The English countryside is something we all enjoy. It’s far too precious to build on willy-nilly. Once our green fields are gone, they’re gone forever.

If we work together, we can stand up for a balanced, careful approach to deciding what to build and where to build it. We can protect local communities’ right to have their say, make sure social housing is built where it’s needed and protect wildlife and beautiful, tranquil places.

Having to act fast to stop an urgent threat to our countryside feels eerily familiar doesn’t it! It’s only a few months since half a million of us came together to stop plans to sell off England’s forests. It worked that time – now let’s come together again to stop this new threat to our beautiful green places.

Take two minutes now to add your name to the petition: 38degrees.org.uk/save-our-countryside

The government “consultation” ends in October. They say that after that they want to press ahead quickly. So we’ve got just a few weeks to make this petition huge. Please add your name now, then share this blog post with all your friends and ask them to sign the petition too.

Further information:

Stopping dangerous changes to the planning system was prioritised by thousands of 38 Degrees members in the August campaign priorities poll. You can see the full results here.

National Planning Policy Framework

Campaigning organisations:

The National Trust

Friends of the Earth

Campaign to Protect Rural England

The Woodland Trust

Interesting Articles:

The Guardian: This localism bill will sacrifice our countryside to market forces


Planning For Sustainable Development

The Guardian: This wrecking ball is Osborne’s version of sustainable development

The Guardian: A development free-for-all will lead to chaos

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Vote now: What should 38 Degrees do next?

June 21st, 2011 by

What do you think we should do together in the coming months? Over the past few weeks, thousands of us have suggested issues where 38 Degrees members could make a difference by working side by side. Now we need to pick which ones we should work on. Please take a minute to vote on this simple form now.

Pic of gathering and voting on ideas on Facebook 38 Degrees members throughout the UK have been sharing and discussing ideas for future campaigns. Volunteers in the office have read and analysed all the suggestions and come up with a shortlist. That’s what thousands of 38 Degress members are voting on this week.

How did we come up with the shortlist?

Step 1: The big sift
Thousands of suggestions were submitted on this blog, through Facebook and through the ideas pages of the website. The first job was to sift through all of the comments and suggestions and pull out the ideas.

Step 2: Simple visualisations
Next, some visualisation tools were used so that a picture of what 38 Degrees members wanted to do next started to emerge. The image below is just one view that illustrates what the initial analysis looked like (this visualisation was created using comments from the blog).

Picture of word analysis

Pic: Visual analysis of some of the thousands of suggestions

One of the jobs done at this stage was adding together small piles of similar suggestions. In the example above you can see “Stop Incineration” and “Against incinerators” appear separately but are most likely similar issues.

Step 3: Identifying the top ideas
A further sweep of the data started to reveal some real trends. Reform of the banking system was a priority for members, as was continuing work on the NHS and working to stop cuts to the disability living allowance.

Chart of unique campaign ideas

Chart 1: unique campaign ideas

That big green chunk (46.7%) in the graph above  is “other” campaign suggestions. There were a lot of them.

Here are just a few of the comments that came in on the more popular issues:

Diana: “tackling the obscene salaries and profits and tax dodges of big business

Sarah: “Stop the unfair hatchet job on disability and incapacity benefits.”

Adam: “I’d focus on stopping the NHS reforms first and foremost.”

Matthew: “Campaign to stop the process of fracking. It’s a dangerous and harmful procedure and should be banned.”

Step 4: Campaign types

As a further analysis task, a typology of suggested ideas was also created and visualised (see the pie chart below). In other words, what categories did the suggested ideas fit into. The results can be seen below and show just what a wide range of interests 38 Degrees members have.

Chart of campaign types

Chart 2: types of campaigns suggested

We can’t do everything – we make a difference, and win, because we focus on the big issues we all care about. This poll will help set the direction over the next few months. It will tell the office team where to focus their time researching campaign ideas and opportunities.

Vote now on the simple form – it only takes two minutes.


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What’ll we do next together – vote ready soon

June 14th, 2011 by

Voting for what we do together next on Facebook38 Degrees members have submitted thousands of suggestions and comments over the past fortnight. A picture of what we are all going to do together next is starting to emerge.

The suggestions have been analysed by our team of volunteers at the 38 Degrees office and a shortlist is close to being finalised. The next step is voting together to help prioritise future campaigns.

But first, we all have some work to do to save the NHS.

Right now saving the NHS is our big priority. By signing the NHS petition, more than 420,000 of us have made this clear. This is a crucial week for the health service as the Future Forum reports back from its “listening exercise” and the government sets out its position once more. Together we have piled huge pressure on Cameron, Clegg and Lansley, we can’t afford to ease up now.

The 38 Degrees office is packed full of amazing volunteers and a small staff team. But at the moment, concentrating on making sure we can work together to save the NHS means getting the “what next?” vote ready can’t happen as quickly as we’d hoped.

With a bit of luck, we’ll have a chance to finish to building the poll in the next few days. Then, 38 Degrees members will be able to vote for their priorities on what we should do next together.


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Update: What should we do next?

June 8th, 2011 by

Data crunching the June members' poll

Photograph by 38 Degrees

When we work together, we can win. We’ve proved that with our campaigns to stop the forest sell-off and opposing factory cow farms in the UK.  Each of those 38 Degrees campaigns, as well as plenty of others, were chosen by all of us discussing our ideas and voting on them together.

Now, it’s time to decide what we do next. Over the past week thousands of 38 Degrees members have been thinking about what we all should campaign on next. Here are a few members’ suggestions:

Judy wants us all to spend time campaigning on protecting the disability allowance:
“This is an allowance given to people living with a disability to help with the extra costs of being disabled – eg. a wheelchair, a carer, an adapted car, special equipment for visually impaired people etc.  It is given to people who are IN WORK as well as those who are unable to work.  Without it millions of people in this country will not be able to survive.”

Chris opposes fracking:
“[fracking] is scraping the bottom of the barrel on fossil fuels and will extend reliance on fossil fuels in the uk when investment should be going into renewables such as anaerobic digestion of waste, solar, wave and wind.”

Hamish wants to end the export credit guarantee on arms sales:
“When our arms manufacturers sign a contract with a foreign power (Saudi or Jordan for example) they have a commitment from the government that the British taxpayer will pay the bill if the foreign power reneges on the contract. So when Jordan received its Chieftain tanks and it decided it could only pay for half of them the British taxpayer was forced to pay for the rest.”

Volunteers in the 38 Degrees office are reading through all the comments on the website and blog, via emails and on Facebook. Thousands of suggestions have come in and the now a team of volunteers is busy sorting through them all.

Using a mix of spreadsheets, word analysis tools and some crafty visual techniques, a picture of what 38 Degrees members want to do is starting to emerge.  Later this week, there’ll be a chance for for us to vote on the ones we think are most important. Then we can start to work together on building and winning the campaigns we choose!

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NHS listening exercise: Submission Resources

May 26th, 2011 by

There are just four days left of Andrew Lansley’s NHS listening exercise. That means we have 4 days left to flood it with our comments, concerns, and objections.

We can make sure that when the figures are released in a couple of weeks, the headlines are clear: the bulk of the submissions to Lansley’s listening exercise opposed his plans.

It’s easy and fast to make a personal submission to the listening exercise using the 38 Degrees website. It only takes a couple of minutes, and there are hints and suggestions for what to include.

You can send a message to the “listening exercise” right now here? It will take only a couple of minutes. You can be as brief or detailed as you like, and there are links below to useful facts & figures that you can include in your message.

Then let other 38 Degrees members know what you submitted in the comments section at the bottom of this page.

Here are some of the big issues 38 Degrees members are concerned about:

  • Decisions being taken behind closed doors
  • The threat to the Government’s duty to provide a comprehensive health service
  • Competition versus co-operation
  • “Cherry-picking” by private healthcare providers
  • The Government is not listening to experts and patients
  • Huge changes are being proposed without proper trials first

You might find some of the information on the 38 Degrees NHS Action Centre useful. The British Medical Association has lots of useful information at their campaign centre here.

There are lots more happening across the country. Here are a few links:
See what some 38 Degrees members have been saying to their local MPs as they’ve handed in Save the NHS petitions up and down the country.
Have you signed the Save the NHS petition? Over 400,000 people have, and many have left comments on the page.
For up to the minute news and opinion the Guardian’s NHS Reform blog is worth reading.
You can have a look and see what’s being said about the NHS right now on Twitter.
And don’t forget the 38 Degrees Facebook page. There has been a constant conversation about the NHS since Lansley announced his proposed changes.


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NHS Ads: Lansley has his fingers in his ears

May 25th, 2011 by

NHS Ads: Lansley Still Isn't Listening

Photograph by 38 Degrees

“When we tell him his plans aren’t working, he doesn’t seem to want to hear what we’re saying.
– Dr Hamish Meldrum, Chair of the British Medical Association, May 2011

It’s hard to listen with two fingers stuck in your ears. That’s the message 38 Degrees members have sent Health Minister Andrew Lansley this morning.

Newspaper ads funded entirely by thousands of donations from 38 Degrees members have been published in five daily papers, the GuardianMirrorMailExpress and Metro. The combined circulation is a whopping six million people. These ads were driven by people power with thousands of contributors raising over £90,000 in just a few days. And not only did 38 Degrees members fully fund the ads, they also contributed important feedback during the design process.

Lansley still isn’t listening. His sham “listening exercise” draws to a close at the end of the month and today 38 Degrees members have sent a message he can’t possibly ignore. The future of the NHS is too important for us to let it be decided behind closed doors.

The campaign to Save the NHS continues to gain momentum. Nearly 400,000 people have signed our petition. Can you help spread the word?

If you use Facebook you can post the advert to your Facebook profile.
If you use Twitter you can tweet about them.
A PDF version can be downloaded here so send it to your friends or stick it in your window to show you want Lansley to start listening.

You can find the ads in the following papers, Wednesday 25 May editions.

  • The Guardian – Page 17
  • Daily Mirror – page 25
  • Metro – page 10
  • Daily Mail – page 36
  • Daily Express – page 35


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Cameron to back climate targets

May 16th, 2011 by

David Cameron will take the advice of Chris Huhne and the Committee on Climate Change

Photograph by 38 Degrees

What a week in the world of UK carbon targets. With a crucial decision on climate change looming, thousands of us contacted our MPs. We asked them to urge David Cameron to listen to his expert scientific advice and keep his green promises. Good news, that message has got though.

On Tuesday, climate minister Chris Huhne announced that the government will accept the recommendations of the Committee on Climate Change. It’s not perfect, the government have given themselves a little bit of wiggle room in the form of a 2014 review, but it still represents a victory for people power.

So what was all the fuss about? Here’s a quick recap on the events to date:

  • The 2008 Climate Change Act was a world leading piece of legislation committing the UK to serious action on climate change
  • David Cameron was vocal in his support of the then Climate Change Bill as it made its way through parliament. He even sleighed through the arctic to highlight his concern for the effects of climate change
  • Then days after coming to power last May, the prime minister promised he’d lead the “Greenest Government Ever”
  • Earlier this year, the Committee on Climate Change, a body set up to help implement provisions of the Climate Change Act, issued its latest set of recommendations in their Fourth Carbon Budget. This included key emissions targets for the period 2023 to 2027
  • Treasury insiders (and Vince Cable) have in the past weeks furiously lobbied David Cameron to reject these targets
  • The prime minister makes the big decision this week

38 Degrees members have asked David Cameron to keep his green promises and accept the recommendations. If, as now predicted, the government backs the Committee on Climate Change, it represents an important  victory for people power. Once again 38 Degrees members have had our voices heard.

And we weren’t alone in making this call. A chorus of support for the CCC rose over the past week. Greenpeace brought their Huskies to parliament on Friday (click for cute dog pics) and some of the UK’s biggest NGOs, from the RSPB to Friends of the Earth to Christian Aid, have written to the prime minister telling him he needs to get to work if he’s to keep all those green promises.

While David Cameron has promised the “Greenest Government ever”, we have seen the priorities of many of his cabinet colleagues lie elsewhere. A victory here, but as 38 Degrees members, we know the need for our close inspection of environment decisions remains.

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Is Cameron about to break climate promises?

May 12th, 2011 by

Pic of David Cameron after he promised to lead the greenest government ever

Photograph by DECC

Less than a week into office David Cameron promised he would lead the “greenest government ever”. Now it looks like the prime minister is about to break a crucial commitment on climate change.

The crunch decision is expected next week. If it goes the wrong way, it could set back the fight against climate change for years to come. We need to move fast to stop that happening.

The press reports that the government is “deeply divided” on whether to tackle climate change. The UK’s chief climate adviser has described next week’s decision as “the key test” of the government’s commitment to being green.

Cameron has always promised to follow the advice of his scientists. But Treasury hardliners are pushing him to ignore the advice. [1] They want watered-down targets, cuts in green jobs, and a boost for the dirtiest industries.

David Cameron wants to be seen as a prime minister who keeps promises and cares about the environment. That gives us an opportunity to influence him. We need to ensure David Cameron is hearing from every single MP, all telling him the public won’t stand for broken green promises.

Please contact your MP urgently. Tell them to write to the prime minister, demanding he keeps his climate change promises.

By working together to put pressure on our MPs, we can make David Cameron realise that breaking promises on climate change would ruin his reputation. This is a man who posed in the Arctic with huskies, and promised to run the “greenest government ever”. If we speak out now, we can send a clear message: you can’t get away with talking green and acting dirty.

Tens of thousands of 38 Degrees members are working together to push this government to keep its green promises. Together, we stopped them selling off the forests, protecting them for wildlife and future generations. Nearly 50,000 of us have now signed the petition to keep the laws which protect our countryside and our wildlife. Now let’s work together to stop this urgent threat to the UK taking action on climate change.

The clock is ticking. A decision is expected early next week. We know that the hardliners will be using that time to put as much pressure on Cameron as they can. If enough of us contact our MPs, we can drown them out with people power.

Please email your MP urgently and ask them to contact David Cameron as soon as possible.

[1] The really important recommendations are:

  • A Domestic Action fourth carbon budget of 1950 MtCO2e
  • An indicative 2030 target to reduce emissions by 60% relative to 1990 levels (46% relative to 2009 levels)
  • An adjustment of the second and third budgets to reflect the level of ambition in the intended budget for the non-traded sector, giving an economy-wide reduction of 37% in 2020 relative to 1990

The full report is available from the Committee on Climate Change website.

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AV Referendum: Reasons to Vote

May 4th, 2011 by

Last week a 38 Degrees member summarised the positive arguments made by each side in the AV referendum. The blog and Facebook post unleashed an avalanche of debate and presented more reasons for and against the proposed change. These have been incorporated into the updated table.

Reform voting system to “Alternative vote”.
Stick with “First Past The Post” voting system.
Rank candidates in order of preference:
1, 2, 3
Put a cross by chosen candidate:
Currently used in the UK:
By political parties to elect their leader. By MPs to elect their Speaker and committee members.
Currently used in the UK:
To elect MPs to Westminster parliament.
Supported by:
Most of the Labour Party, Lib Dems, Greens, UKIP, a few Conservatives.
Supported by:
Almost all Conservatives, the BNP, some of Labour.
Leading arguments: 

  • Will encourage MPs to listen to voters who don’t usually support their party because they will have to think about second and third preference votes as well.
  • Will reduce the number of ‘safe seats’ and ‘jobs for life’ among MPs – potentially reducing the kind of complacency that led to the expenses scandal.
  • Will give each voter a say in who their MP is even if their first choice does not win.
  • Will make it harder for “extremist” parties to get elected as they would need to get 50% of voters to rank them highly.
Leading arguments: 

  • It is tried and tested – it’s been our voting system for a very long time.
  • This is the system under which all our previous Westminster governments have been elected, and tends to produce a clear result.
  • It is cheaper than AV (NB this claim is controversial, the YES campaign have described it as a “lie”).
  • It is less complicated than AV and is therefore easy for everyone to understand: the candidate who gets the most votes wins.

Do you agree? Are there any big issues missing? Add a comment below.

You might find these articles by the BBC helpful. Or you could have a look at what the yes and no campaigns for the referendum have to say.

Here’s what a few 38 Degrees members have said about the referendum:

Stuart is voting Yes: “Government of the people, by the people, for the people requires the involvement of the people and the conviction of the people that their involvement counts, whoever they support. AV is a small step in the right direction in bringing power out of the boardrooms and down to our level. It isn’t the whole journey, but it is a first step.

Cathy is voting No: “Either go whole hog proportional, or keep it as it is rather than spending resources on a system that is pretty much as good as, if not only marginally better or worse than, the status quo.”

Lauren is voting Yes: ”If George Osborne, the BNP, the Murdoch Empire, and David Blunkett all want me to vote no to AV, then I’m going to vote yes!

Joe is voting No: ”AV isn’t really any more democratic though. In a way it’s worse because in many cases some votes are worth more than others because you’re mixing first preference votes with second preference votes.

Grant is voting Yes: ”Living in Scotland I have found AV/STV to be an opportunity to change our voting system for the better so we are not stuck with same old parties winning the vote.

Jon is voting No: ”I should be a supporter of AV because I support UKIP / English Democrats or ANY civilised bunch who will get us out of Europe. BUT it’s no good getting us out of Europe if we are left with a bunch of ‘all things to all men’ apparachnikim at home.

It could be decades before we get another chance to vote on reforming the voting system, particularly if there is a No vote. So let’s make sure everyone has a chance to have their say!

Please send this blog post to your friends and remind them to vote.

If you use Facebook, you can post a status reminder here. If you use Twitter, you can tweet a reminder here.

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