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Our Forests report: what do you think?

April 5th, 2012 by

Jonathon Porritt  has written a blog to let 38 Degrees members know about Our Forests new report on the future of England’s woodlands. Now, the group want to know what 38 Degrees members think about what they’ve written so far:

“At the moment when the Government withdrew its crass proposals to sell off the whole of the Public Forest Estate this time last year, I expect that the same Sun-style heading came into all our minds: “It was 38 Degrees wot won it”.  And so it was – along with some brilliant grass roots campaigning and an impressive media campaign.

Sadly, as we know, many of the big NGOs such as the National Trust, Woodland Trust and the Wildlife Trusts were not involved in that campaign.  Perhaps without meaning to they had even allowed government ministers to think that the proposed sell-off wasn’t such a bad idea after all. That was one of the reasons a small group of campaigners set up Our Forests, as a ginger group to put pressure on the non-governmental organisations to do better next time – especially as many of them are now represented on the Independent Panel hastily set up by the Government to diffuse the intense anger at that time.

But we also wanted to produce a more positive Vision for the woodlands and forests of England and Wales – we couldn’t believe how negative everyone had been about the opportunity not just for improving the existing Public Forest Estate (by giving it a new inalienable ‘status’ and ensuring continued public funding), but for bringing poorly managed woodlands into productive use – and for planting the equivalent of a new Domesday Forest (1 billion more trees!) over the next few decades.

Happily, that vision has been very well received – and we’d now like to find out what members of 38 Degrees think about it.  I do very much hope you’ll have time to answer the few questions that we’ve developed around this.

It’s all in a good cause.  We still need to persuade the Independent Panel to be suitably robust and visionary in terms of its final report to Defra – and your feedback will help us greatly in that regard. This is really the next phase in the campaign – and will ensure that 38 Degrees continues to demonstrate real leadership on this critical issue.

Members of ‘Our Forests’ are  Hen Anderson, Richard Daniels, Gabriel Hemery, Tony Juniper, Rod Leslie, Robin Maynard and Jonathon Porritt.

What do you think about Our Forests report? Which ideas do you like? Are there parts of the report you don’t agree with? And what else should they include next time? Share your ideas in the comments section below.

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  • Nick M

    An excellent initiative.  Let’s hope it gains the traction it needs.

  • Carl Holmes

    community woodlands, reforest england, better protection for woodlands big and small , ancient or not

  • Carl Holmes

    our national parks are huge and yet are a man made landscape over grazed imagine the size of forest that people could plant on our natinal parks huge native forests 

  • Josie

    Great ideas and congrats on all your hard work.  Just need to get the idea over to more people, get more celebs on board.

  • John

    I am at a loss to imagine why publicly owned forests would be better off in private hands.  Has anyone any examples of an asset improving as a result of such a transaction? 

  • Mrs Sitara Sli

    After reading your report, I am convinced that our forests will be better looked after and cared for by the members of ‘Our Forests.’ 
    I believe that introducung poor management of our Woodlands, supported by the minsiters will be totally wrong.   
    What I am worried about is that once the woodland management is taken over by the government agents, who would introduce ‘timber merchants’ for profits which would be a danger and and crisis for not only a beauty, but also to our climate.
    Returning back home is such a pleasure flying over to view our green and  pleasant land.
    I wish ’Members of Our forests success and good luck
          

        

  • Fh003f6383

    For forests to disappear would mean the probability of seeing Rachel Carson’s ‘Silent Spring’ come into being.

  • http://gabrielhemery.com/2012/05/18/our-forests-vision-have-your-say/ Our Forests Vision – have your say | Gabriel Hemery

    [...] Recently, 38 Degrees shared a post on their blog about Our Forests, written by ginger group members Jonathon Porritt. He explained why Our Forests are hoping 38 Degrees members would share their views on the Vision. You can read his blog post here. [...]

  • Patsy Weller

    I would like our forest to stay in the public hand and not into private hands because once that happens they will start to build houses where the forest were and camron and his party will get a back hand from these millioneris. They should not have the right to give our forest away like they do with our money to other countries and leave ouer E nglish citizens with out food and homes. I WANT THIS GOVERMENT TO LEAVE OUR FOREST ALONE.
                                       PATSY 

  • Alec Dauncey

    I’ll have a think, to be honest I’m not that impressed. It’s hardly radical. More native woodland is OK but the Our Forests document says nothing about:
    Whether several square miles should be clearfelled in the public forests every year rather than just be thinned and regenerated by nature?
    Whether most of the forests should go in being exotic conifers and mostly replanted with the same?
    How much herbicide and pesticide should be used in forests, why not a word on that?
    How about genuine community ownership and control of the public forests instead of the monolithic quango which you propose?

  • Mrs Sitara Sli

    I fully agree with Patsy’s comment that our forests should stay in public hands and stop this nasty government, like our NHS, will privatise our beautiful Forests.  The Tories are bent to destroy our Forests to make their
     millionaire cronies richer.   Many thanks Patsy for your comment. 

  • http://www.ilovehealth.co.uk/ Sonja carigiet

    It’s a no brainer really!! Woodlands are a integral part of our eco system… and all living creatures are  a part of that whole system.. We have to work with the land and with nature not rob it for all its worth .. as it has been the case for so long now. If we don’t guard the Forests /nature/ the planet in its entirety there will be nothing left for humankind.. as we literally be eating our selfs out of house and home!

  • John French

    Alec Dauncey clearly has not visited one of our large public forests for some time.
    Here in the Forest of Dean there is a wonderful mix of broadleaf and conifer.
    Felling, which of course is essential to the economics of a forest, is done in such away that there is really no sense of large empty areas. New plantings ensure that the amount of forested woodland is always the same. Leaving the forest to itself might work for the odd acre of woodland but is not an option for a working Forest like ours as it would disappear as an amenity for all and leave it vulnerable to the property developers.He has a point about the misuse of Herbicides etc which is why it is better to have them under the control of the Forestry Commission, who are very careful about their use and have strict rules and guidelines, rather than in the hands of several private, unaccountable companies.While we may have had our differences with them in the distant past, the modern Forestry Commission does a very good job at balancing the needs of commercial forestry with public amenity.I agree with you, it isn’t radical, it is careful and sustained management that just works.

  • Alec Dauncey

    John, nice to debate this.
    I have not been to the Dean recently, I know it is an (arguably untypically?) diverse and multi structured forest.
    I left the Forestry Commission last year, after working for it for about twenty years, many of them in management of the public estate in England, Scotland, and Wales. I think that an effective media machine has concealed from the public the true nature of the estate and its management. The Our Forests document repeatedly suggests that a great deal has changed in FC managment. I suggest that a real culture shift has NOT happened, or not fast enough. The estate is still 70% coniferous with large scale clearfelling of about 25 Km per year (some countries have phased out clearfelling completely) and replanting at some cost with mostly (about 70%) ANOTHER intensive coniferous “rotation”. A change in the overall nature of the forests would thus be painfully slow?
    There are many professional foresters who question the slow shift away from large scale clearfelling (see Continuous Cover Forestry Group website). This is called “close to nature forestry” it does not have to mean abandonment to nature. It seems a significant weakness in the Our Forests document that it makes no comment whatsoever on this key debate out the way the public estate is managed.
    It is similarly strange that the Our Forests document makes it clear that there should be no “blunt, brutish planting of 750,000 hectares of singlespecies, fast-growing conifer invading our hills and surrounding our cities”, and then makes no comment on the evolution of the currently 70% coniferous estate.
    On pesticides and herbicides, I suggest we should more rapidly (since the policy is to reduce) phase them out. Denmark has done this, with similar plantation management issues. I find it strange that a group involving Jonathan Porritt has been silent on this issue!
    Essentially my concern is that we are not talking about the distant past. FC is still out of tune with society in being much too focussed on commercial industrial forestry. I realise this is counter to the impression people have gained. I think the statistics reveal a different picture. I see a continuing industrial focus in the forests I visit. I have written up examples on my Blog.
    I think more radical change is justified.
    It IS time I visited the Dean again!

  • Patsy Weller

    Mr Camron keep your dirty hands off our forest, they are our forest not yours. People like you make me sick, you dont give a dam about anything or any body as long as you fill your pockets to make you richer, you and your cronies just want to sell everthing off that be long to us the people of the uk. I hope you get kicked out at the next election. Patsy

  • Adonis45

    Public Forests are PUBLIC. The selling off of our Public Forests is a crime equivalent to selling off the people of this country to some other foreign country. Oliver Cromwell did not fight for the rights of the Public in 1743 only to be be sold off to greedy private owners in 2012. So, David Cameron beware of the anger of the Nation if you think you can abuse their RIGHTS TO PUBLIC OWNERSHIP OF THEIR FORESTS.