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The Big Switch – further information

February 7th, 2012 by

**UPDATE**

What happens after I’ve entered information about my gas and electricity use?

Once the Which? experts have the information they need to bargain with the gas and electricity companies, they will hold a ‘reverse auction’. The companies will compete with each other to offer all of us the best deal with the lowest price.

When a winning deal is reached, Which? will start calculating how much each of us can save. Then you’ll get an email with a link you can click to take you to a page where you can see an estimate of how much you personally can save by switching to the winning company. The estimate will be based on your current gas and electricity use.

If you think the deal is a good option for you, then you can switch easily online using the special Big Switch website.

Further information about The Big Switch

1 What is the Big Switch?
The Big Switch is a new way for us to take the power back from big gas and electricity companies. 38 Degrees and Which? are teaming up to get a fair deal on our gas and electricity bills. We’ll bargain as a group with gas and electricity companies to persuade them to give us the lowest price.

The idea is simple: individually we don’t have much power to change the prices of big gas and electricity companies, but by bargaining together we can put ourselves in a stronger position to get a fair deal.

2 How does it work?
First you sign up online to register your interest in taking part in The Big Switch. You’ll get an email confirming your registration. It would be great if you could share with as many people as we can to make sure we have as much bargaining power as possible – so please invite your friends and family.

You’ll then be emailed asking to give a little bit more information, such as who your current gas and electricity supplier is. This information is needed for the deal to be struck with gas and electricity companies.

Registration closes on the 31st March. The expert negotiators at Which? will then start bargaining with the energy companies using a ‘reverse auction’. This normally takes place over a day and companies compete to give us the lowest price per kilowatt of electricity and cubic meter of gas.

Once the deal has been secured, you’ll be notified via email and you can choose whether or not to accept it. There’s no commitment or obligation to sign-up with the new supplier, so if people decide to stay with their existing gas and electricity company, that’s absolutely fine too.

Accepting the switch is really simple. No one needs to visit your house and it takes effect within 4-6 weeks.

3 Why should I take part?
By working together we’ll challenge the power of the big gas and electricity companies and make sure that everyone can get a fairer deal. We can shake up the market and help end the confusing number of tariffs and rip-off prices. You’ll can also get cheaper bills and help your friends and family save money.

4 What do I have to do to take part?
It’s very easy – you just need to visit the 38 Degrees Big Switch signup page or the Which? site and fill in your name, postcode and email address before 31 March 2012. You’ll then be contacted by email with a few more questions about your current gas and electricity supplier(s) and tariff(s) so that experts can negotiate the best deal with the gas and electricity suppliers.

Finally, once the new deal has been negotiated with a gas and electricity company, you’ll be be emailed to let you know exactly how much you can save by switching, and the next steps to switch.

5 If I sign up do I have to switch?
No – there’s absolutely no obligation to switch after you’ve registered your interest. Once we’ve got an offer from a gas and electricity company and you’ve provided a bit more information about your current bills, you’ll get an email with an estimate of how much money you will save – so you can decide whether you want to switch or not.

6 Will I definitely save money?
At this stage there’s no guarantee how much people will save, but with enough people power we’re aiming to secure one of the best deals in the market, so we’re hopeful most of us will be able to save something.

Once the deal has been secured we’ll be able to provide you with information telling you if you will save money.

7 How much will I save?
It depends on what type of tariff you’re already on, and what deal the gas and electricity companies offer. However, we’re aiming to secure a market leading deal, so we’re hopeful most people will be able to save something.

Once we’ve got an offer from the gas and electricity company and you’ve provided a bit more information about your current bills, you’ll get an email with your tailored savings estimates – so you can see how much money you’ll save by switching.

8 How long will it take?
The 38 Degrees office team and Which? can’t say for sure. Sign up will close at the end of March and we expect that the deal with the gas and electricity company will happen in April.

9 Has this ever been done before?
Which?’s sister organisation in the Netherlands, Consumentenbond, has successfully tried the concept of ‘collective switching’ using a reverse auction. They successfully negotiated a gas and electricity deal for 20,000 consumers. This is the first time it’s been done in the UK – that’s why it’s so exciting.

10 If you can save money by switching tariffs, why don’t more people do it?
Lots of us find it tricky to switch gas and electricity supplier. We know that 60% of consumers have never switched supplier, and 75% are currently on their supplier’s ‘default’ Standard tariff. The number of different tariff options available is baffling, and Which?’s investigations have shown that people can’t work out how much they should be paying from their gas and electricity bills.

11 Do I have to be willing to take up an online tariff to take part?
Not necessarily. The 38 Degrees office team and Which? can’t confirm the type of tariff that will be on offer until we’ve negotiated with the gas and electricity suppliers so it’s well worth signing up with the Big Switch so you’re to be in with the chance of securing a cheaper deal on your gas and electricity bills.

12 Do I have to pay my bills by Direct Debit to take part?
Not necessarily. The 38 Degrees office team and Which? can’t confirm the type of tariff we’ll be able to offer until we’ve negotiated with the gas and electricity suppliers so it’s well worth signing up with the Big Switch so you’re to be in with the chance of securing a cheaper deal on your gas and electricity bills.

13 Do you make any money out of this?
38 Degrees does not make any money by running this campaign. We are a not-for-profit that relies on donations from thousands of 38 Degrees members all over the UK.

Which? receives a small fee for each new contract switched to a new gas and electricity supplier. These agreements do not affect who the deal is negotiated with. Which? is a not for profit and the fees go towards Which? campaigns to make individuals as powerful as the organisations they face in everyday life.

14 What happens if the gas and electricity companies don’t particpate?
There is no guarantee that the gas and electricity companies will participate, however there is a strong incentive for them to do so. The more of us that are involved the stronger that incentive is.

15 Will there be a “green tariff” option?
We’ll be seeking to negotiate with all the energy companies, including those who focus on producing energy from renewable sources like ecotricity and good energy. We really hope that they will decide to take part and offer us a good deal.

16 38 Degrees campaigns to tackle climate change – so shouldn’t you be in favour of higher bills to bring down fossil fuel use?
38 Degrees members regularly take action to push the government to tackle climate change – most recently campaigning for Nick Clegg to block efforts to import oil from Canadian tar sands into Europe.

38 Degrees members have also voted to challenge rip-off gas and electricity prices. We’ve seen that gas and electricity prices are rising, even when wholesale prices fall. We’ve seen huge profits from gas and electricity companies. And we’ve seen rising levels of fuel poverty. If, with more and more families in the UK unable to afford to heat their homes.

Most 38 Degrees members don’t see a contradiction between wanting to tackle climate change and wanting to tackle rip-off gas and electricity bills – because we don’t believe that the way to bring down carbon emissions is to allow the big energy companies to make excessive profits and drive prices to levels which stop poor people being able to afford to heat their homes. Fuel poverty now affects nearly 7,000,000 households in the UK, its highest level ever. That’s not sustainable or fair.

Tackling climate change does not need to mean millions of people living in homes which are too cold. Real solutions to climate change and fossil fuel dependency exist and 38 Degrees will continue to campaign in favour of them. For example buildings need to be better insulated and investment in renewables will reduce our vulnerability to fluctuations in global gas and oil prices. 38 Degrees members will continue to campaign for things like this to happen alongside campaigning against energy company profiteering.

17 Will you negotiate on criteria other than price?
Not this time, but maybe in the future. This is the first time a big switch has been attempted in the UK. So we need to keep it simple this time and focus on driving down prices. But one of the reasons this campaign is so exciting is it could prove  that people powered switching can force companies to change their behaviour. If that works, then in the future we can talk together about other criteria we want to use for future big switches – for example green credentials, specific types of tariff, customer service standards. We can also think about other industries that might need the big switch treatment. This is only the beginning!

18 I’ve chosen the deal based on green credentials, not price – are you suggesting I switch to a “dirtier” supplier?
We will be approaching all the energy companies including those with green credentials, and hope they’ll offer a good deal.

In the end whether you switch or not will be up to you. But if you are happy with the deal you have got from a greener supplier, then possibly this particular campaign isn’t for you.

Most people in the UK aren’t currently on green tariffs, 60% of consumers have never switched supplier, and 75% are currently on their supplier’s ‘default’ Standard tariff.

This campaign aims to challenge the power of the “big six” energy suppliers, not to encourage people to shift away from green tariffs.

19 I’m signed up to a tariff for a fixed time period, with a penalty charge for leaving early. Will the Big Switch work for me?
Possibly. The 38 Degrees office team and Which? can’t confirm the type of tariff that will be on offer until we’ve negotiated with the gas and electricity suppliers. It’s well worth signing up with the Big Switch so you hear more and can work out whether it will save you money.

Once we’ve got an offer from the gas and electricity company and you’ve provided a bit more information about your current bills, you’ll get an email with your tailored savings estimates – so you can see how much money you’ll save by switching and whether it’s worth paying the penalty charge for leaving your old deal early.

 

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  • Hugh

    I have solar panels does  this get changed to a new company if I switch and do I loose any creadits.

  • Fiona

    But what about those of us who deliberately choose power from renewable sources which we know costs more but which we are prepared to pay?

  • Graham Allsopp

    Just to clarify: Any company can pay your solar panel FiT – it doesn’t have to be the company that supplies your electricity. If you change suppliers you can leave your FiT payments where they are. Or you can change to anyone else. I use http://www.goodenergy.co.uk/ for my FiT, but they don’t supply my electricity.

  • Dave

    What about those of us on fixed price deals which run for a period, with penalties for leaving?

  • http://twitter.com/daaain Daniel Demmel

    Being the people powered revolution, may I suggest taking into consideration more than just who is the cheapest (which can change in a few months anyway)? I’m personally with Ecotricity because they pledged to spend all their profits investing in building renewable energy generation capacity in the UK.

    Just a thought to consider, thanks.

  • Duckworth

    I am locked into an Energy Contract with Scottish Power until 31 Dec 2012 and this will cost me approx £60 if I move to another Energy Supplier for Gas and Electric. I have written to my MP asking him to ask the Energy Sec. to challenge the Energy Companies and remove these charges forthwith. At this moment until these charges are removed I cannot “shop around” (as was advised by the MPs” to obtain the best Energy Prices) as these charges stop me and others from doing so,  therefore I am unable to join your campaign …

  • Shirley

    Thanks Hugh & Graham for your useful Q&A.  We are still with the same electricity supplier who pays our FiT because for us it appears still the best tariff, but I wonder why one might consider changing FiT provider??  (Or are you just suggesting that if you move supplier you can choose to take your FiT with you?)

  • Phillips

    I’d like to sign up, but the area where I live does not have mains gas. Can I still get the deal on electricity please?

    Will you also be running a similar campaign for domestic heating oil customers? 

  • Ralph Selby

    I have recently switched both Gas and Electricity suppliers with worthwhile results and am therefore not able to join this campaign.  As well as making worthwhile savings an additional benefit has been that I email my consumption reading each month and am invoiced accordingly.  As well has paying less for my services I no longer have to wait for an unpleasant surprise arriving at irregularly timed  billings.  I wish this scheme the success I’ve already found by taking initiative in my own hands..l RS

  • Angry Mark

    It is not all about price.  I bet the cheapest deal is also the dirtiest in terms of carbon emmissions.  38 degrees should be promoting green tariffs, not cheapest.  And the fact that Which? are taking commission is an absolute disgrace

  • G.Duthie

    We do not have a gas main here and do not use bottled gas.Can we join in the campaign as an electricity use only?

  • Andreas

    I am only interested in Green Energy. Nowwhere in your info can I  see that Which? will negotiate for Green Energy.  I am currently with EBICO with enrgy provided by SSE.  If Which? do go for Green Energy, which based on past experince with them on hybrid cars, I doubt it! then I will sign up.

    All the best
    Andreas

  • Graham Allsopp

    Some of the larger energy companies had difficulties with administering FiT when it first came out, (some still do!) and some are still woefully slow getting the FiT payment back to you. I chose a green energy supplier for my FiT payments because they fitted my ethos and understood the FiT system.
    It was just a reminder that you have free choice for your FiT payments. It doesn’t need to be your energy supplier, and if you’re unhappy with your FiT payer you are free to change. Of course, the actual level of FiT payment will be exactly the same whoever pays it.

  • Lynn Calvert Jones

    Transition Malvern Hills are reburbishing 106 gas lamps and we want a good deal for our gas. I am very keen on using Ecotricity – my home provider for gas and electricity because they put their profits into renewables. I will join our enormous big fat gas consumption onto your petition – what a good idea!  How about the massive BP profits announced this morning !  It all stinks as much as gas!

  • RW

    I feel the same way, I am planning to switch provider anyway but am mainly considering green/renewable energy (electricity) suppliers. I want to know if this will be considered by which? or if it is only the best price that will be bargained for…? Which may not necessarily represent the greenest/most ethical.

  • Bob

    @5f7eec20a580a8211060856e94bc2f30:disqus  – that sounds interesting. Can you tell me which company you’re with for this service?

    Thanks.

  • Mary

    Like Andreas, I am only interested in Green Energy, and switched recently to Good Energy. Frankly, I don’t want more bargaining power with the big energy companies.They actually aren’t what is holding me/us ransom.  I am more interested in powering down our use of energy as a society. The concept that we can pay less to consume as much energy as we want is simply not sustainable! Our real power lies in ganging up, as you wisely suggest, and agreeing to use less, and to use it wisely (insulate etc.). I would sign up for that kind of initiative.  

  • Chris Castree

    I’m on a fixed price tariff until 2013 so won.t be able to participate.

  • David

    We should be pushing the price of gas and electricity UP through a carbon tax. This is a misguided campaign: by all means protest about profit levels, but the central tenet of this campaign is wrong.

  • A.L.

    My interest would depend on the structure of the tariff, namely no standing charge, level unit price so energy saving efforts to reduce consumption are suitably rewarded. In a perfect world later units could even be charged more or a rebate for those at the lower end of annual consumption

  • http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ MJ Ray

    I already bargain as part of a group to persuade energy suppliers to give us the fairest deal. Why don’t you join our group? Together, we would be even stronger. http://www.cooperativeenergy.coop/

  • Moray McConnachie

    We effectively already do this by being signed up with the Co-operative Energy. http://www.cooperativeenergy.coop/

  • Shirley

    Just trying to get my (simple!) brain around this – so by moving your FiT to another provider the benefit to them is that you’re contributing to their renewable targets?
    Shirley

  • Anne

    Like many others on this page, I’m interested in switching to a Green Energy provider.  Price is not the first consideration – not because money’s no object, but because I feel strongly about supporting renewables and being careful with energy consumption.

  • BARRIE

    NPOWER persuaded me to fix my tariff until 2013, how will this affect my ability to join the campaign?

  • Jonathan

    The way my gas tariff works is the more gas I use the cheaper it becomes! We need to challenge the energy companies to get fair prices but using less energy should be rewarded also.

  • Ikj Elmplace

    Hi Becky, I am in general agreement with the concerted
    Action. However, having recently switched from N power to
    my Local Green Supplier ( Ecotricity), I feel it would
    be churlish to even appear to be contemplating a switch
    even before the first quarter bill! And, yes, I am
    aware that my new bills will be quite probably, no
    cheaper, but I shall be supporting green energy and
    local business, which is equally important.

  • Peej

    Surely it would be more productive to encourage people to switch to Co-operative Energy or similar? www.co-operativeenergy.co.uk, This would draw on similar principles to the ‘move your money’ campaign? Collective bargaining with the big six doesn’t solve their profiteering, lack of accountability or corporate governance…

  • Dave E

    Like Barrie, I have been persuaded to to fix my tariff until June 2013.  I can’t see how I can switch now – as much as I’d like to join the campaign.

  • chrissell

    Sounds good, but I chose my providers on their ‘green’ credentials as far as possible.  Will this be taken into account as well as the prices?

  • http://www.facebook.com/davidbabbs DAvid Babbs

    Thanks for raising these important points. We’ve added some more information above to address these questions – from number 15 onwards…

  • http://www.facebook.com/davidbabbs DAvid Babbs

    The 38 Degrees office team and Which? can’t confirm the type of tariff
    that will be on offer until we’ve negotiated with the gas and
    electricity suppliers. It’s well worth signing up with the Big Switch at this stage so
    you hear more and can work out whether the tarriff will work for you and if it will save you money.

  • http://www.facebook.com/davidbabbs DAvid Babbs

    Thanks for raising this. We’ve added some more
    information above to address these questions – from number 15 onwards…

  • http://www.facebook.com/davidbabbs DAvid Babbs

    I’ve added an answer to this in the Q&A above:

    19 I’m signed up to a tariff for a fixed time period, with a penalty charge for leaving early. Will the Big Switch work for me?

    Possibly. The 38 Degrees office team and Which? can’t confirm the type
    of tariff that will be on offer until we’ve negotiated with the gas and
    electricity suppliers. It’s well worth signing up with the Big Switch so
    you hear more and can work out whether it will save you money.

    Once we’ve got an offer from the gas and electricity company and
    you’ve provided a bit more information about your current bills, you’ll
    get an email with your tailored savings estimates – so you can see how
    much money you’ll save by switching and whether it’s worth paying the
    penalty charge for leaving your old deal early.

  • http://www.facebook.com/clive.kinski Clive Kinski

    I appreciate that, being big businesses, the energy companies are in the habit of charging what the market can stand, rather than offering us a fair price based on the real costs of production, etc. However, I feel this campaign should also incorporate the following issues in order to address the bigger picture:- That cheaper prices to the consumer shouldn’t come at a increased cost to the environment. It is important that the energy companies don’t use this as an excuse to break good environmental practice guidelines and bend laws to make up for their loss of profits.- The best way to save money on energy is to stop wasting it! Can you please urge people to be mindful of the fact that the world’s fossil fuels are a finite and very valuable commodity, and that we can all do our bit to help make them last as long as possible – as well as save ourselves money. For example, putting on an extra layer of clothing so we can turn our thermostats down, don’t heat rooms when they aren’t being used, stop using tumble-dryers whenever possible, stop washing clothes until they really need it, don’t use open-air space-heaters, etc., etc. - If we are to demand a price reduction then we should also be prepared to take responsibility for our own usage and have a good look at our care-free and extravagant behaviour regarding the way we use the earth’s resources. As they say, every little helps – and helps keep the price down as well as our own bills.- The costs of extraction of all the different fossil fuels rises as we use up the more easily accessible reserves, and gas is no exception. The less we use, the cheaper the cost of the raw material overall. Also, if there is less demand, then the energy companies will have to drop prices to remain competitive. - Forcing the government and energy companies to switch to renewable, sustainable energy sources, once in place, ultimately removes the excuse of ever-increasing production costs as being the reason for price rises.- The more we can reduce the amount we rely on gas by turning to UK-based renewables, the less we will be at the mercy of the Russians and other gas producers manipulating the markets.- Risky and unpopular practices like fracking and the increase in nuclear power are likely to be trotted out as unavoidable if we make price our only concern. I wonder how the Japanese now feel about the real cost of decades of cheap energy? Or in a few years to come when drinking water supplies in numerous locations around the world are threatened due to the disruption of the water-table by fracking? So I urge you to incorporate these concerns into this campaign so that the big and long-term energy picture is properly addressed, because otherwise the outcome of this campaign could ultimately not only play into the hands of big business, but also help precipitate some truly awful consequences far more important than us, the majority of whom are comparatively rich westerners, saving a few hundred quid a year.

  • http://www.facebook.com/davidbabbs DAvid Babbs

    thanks for this, Fiona. We’ve added an answer on this in the information above:

    18 I’ve chosen the deal based on green credentials, not price – are you suggesting I switch to a “dirtier” supplier?

    We will be approaching all the energy companies including those with green credentials, and hope they’ll offer a good deal.

    In the end whether you switch or not will be up to you. But if you are happy with the deal you have got from a greener supplier, then possibly this particular campaign isn’t for you.

    Most people in the UK aren’t currently on green tariffs, 60% of consumers have never switched supplier, and 75% are currently on their supplier’s ‘default’ Standard tariff.

    This campaign aims to challenge the power of the “big six” energy suppliers, not to encourage people to shift away from green tariffs.

  • http://www.facebook.com/davidbabbs DAvid Babbs

    Thanks for raising this Mary. It’s an important point. I’ve added some more information addressing this point in the Q&A above:

    16 38 Degrees campaigns to tackle climate change – so shouldn’t you be in favour of higher bills to bring down fossil fuel use?

    38 Degrees members regularly take action to push the government
    to tackle climate change – most recently campaigning for Nick Clegg to
    block efforts to import oil from Canadian tar sands into Europe.

    38 Degrees members have also voted to challenge rip-off gas and
    electricity prices. We’ve seen that gas and electricity prices are
    rising, even when wholesale prices fall. We’ve seen huge profits from
    gas and electricity companies. And we’d seen rising levels of fuel
    poverty. If, with more and more families in the UK unable to afford to
    heat their homes.

    Most 38 Degrees members don’t see a contradiction between wanting to
    tackle climate change and wanting to tackle rip-off gas and electricity
    bills – because we don’t believe that the way to bring down carbon
    emissions is to allow the big energy companies to make excessive profits
    which price poor people out of being able to heat their homes.

    Buildings need to be better insulated. Investment in renewables will
    reduce our vulnerability to fluctuations in global gas and oil prices.
    38 Degrees members will continue to campaign for all this to happen
    alongside campaigning against energy company profiteering.

  • Eric

    What’s in it for 38 degrees?

  • http://www.facebook.com/davidbabbs DAvid Babbs

    The possibility of another people powered campaign win!

  • L Goulden

    Will you negotiate for Staywarm customers – the over sixties, fixed price monthly, which allows you to use as much as you need without fearing unpredictable bills?

  • Mike

    I would love to take part in this campaign, but due to my location (Northern Ireland) the big six have no interest in building a customer base so, yet again, a 38 degrees campaign is GB centric. It must be nice to have people power behind you.

  • Jackaro

    If I’m already getting FiT from a provider can I still switch and receive it from the new provider?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4EEYWGVCMTRUJXGIXBJLIG5O5Y K

    One of the issues that needs to be addressed is that where some tariffs charge you more for the first x amount of units and then it becomes cheaper the more units you use. This should be the other way around.

    The first x of units should be cheap to enable a basic standard of energy supply to everyone, and then units you use over x should be more expensive than the basic x of units.

    It’s completely and utterly bonkers to make the first few units the most expensive.

  • Rprincesstiggy

    My gas company says it will prevent me switching suppliers as i owe them money (just over a hundred pounds I think). Are they able to do that? I have been unable to pay my gas bill due to poverty but am expecting to have an improvement in income next month.

  • Groom Trish

    trying to sign up on your switch campaign, will not accept my postcode this time?

  • Phil Driscoll

    I think this campaign really gives out the wrong message entirely. With just a bit more thought, 38 Degrees could have organised a mass movement of customers to green energy suppliers. This would hit the big 6 where it hurts in the same way, but also sent out the important message that there’s much more to care about here than low prices. I hope it’s not too late to try and steer this campaign in a better direction.

  • Frank Baron

    Am very interested in this idea for cheaper electricity and gas.How about reducing telephone charges,etc. Petrol and fuel reductions perhaps?

  • Chris Church

    Given Which magazine’s extremley iffy history of work on environmental issues (theya re good on the costs of stuff but not the value…) why should we work with something that may simply generate good PR for EDF et al and do absolutely nothing about climate related issues? 38 Degrees is meant to be about joined up work to achieve change not bulk-buying the cheapest (and most polluting??) deal.  

  • SAM

    Is this campaign open to pre-payment meter customers? I’ve just moved into a house with pre-paid meters and the bills are extortionate. I’m negotiating to try and get the meters changed but meanwhile I’m spending well over 50% of my income on gas/electricity.

  • Clive-andrews

    Hello Clive, from another Clive.

    I agree with most of what you say, but I’m sorry to disagree on one point. Saving energy in our homes will reduce the energy companies’ profits and thus the bosses’ BONUSES! So they will just put up their prices! It’s what they always do; we can not win by cutting our consumption. We will only pay more for less! The Profit Motive is so powerful that we must act against it DIRECTLY. The energy companies believe that being efficient, means that they MUST always make a bigger profit than last year; we have to educate tham out of this ‘Lemming Philosophy’!

    Most of us already wear vests, pullovers, shoes (instead of slippers), and so on, to tolerate room temperatures of 15 degrees C. I have professional advice, too, that letting rooms get cold, then warming them up when you want to use them, actually uses MORE energy, than keeping rooms at a reasonable temperature, like 15+ degrees C.
    We are already using as little energy as possible; (my wife is watching television at the moment with an warm coat over her, for example, with the room temperature reading  17.5 deg C, with the sun’s help).

    The fact is we can only really save money by forcing the energy suppliers to CUT prices, or by having OUR OWN renewables. We should be doing the same to our rip-off banking bosses too. The argument is always, if you want efficient Management, PAY TOP PEOPLE TOP SALARIES. But does this apply to plumbers, decorators, etc? Of course it doesn’t. You hire the plumber who you believe will do the best job, for what you think is a reasonable quote! That’s how it should be throughout the UK, top to bottom.

    Incidentally, I did hear recently, that a water company has claimed that any rain water which falls onto our roofs, BELONGS TO THEM, and that we are not allowed to purify it and use it! This could be apocryphal, but it would not surprise me to find that it has been argued by some ‘top’ person.

    More ‘power to all our elbows’.

    Kind regards,
    Clive Andrews.

       

  • Kay Wagland

    This really doesn’t sound like a 38 Degrees campaign to me, notwithstanding what’s been said about climate change in the Q&A. A campaign would be better targeted at changing the tariff structure to low charge rates for low consumers and raising the rate as consumption goes up (the reverse is the case at the moment) alongside increasing the renewables proportion of generation.

    What will the next campaign be? Cheaper petrol?!

  • synic

    Hi
    Water companies have for many years claimed that ‘run off’ is their property. So next time you let the kids splash in a puddle or drink from a stream think on, you may get a bill thro the post. But seriousley we should be aware that this rather stupid and silly sounding clause could be used against us just as Monsanto use the patent of wind blown GM seeds to ‘steal’ farmers livelihoods.

  • synic

    Would like to join this campaign but am all electric on off peak and there are so few tariffs available. Would I still be able to save?

  • Dick Norton

    I  generate some electricity from Solar PV Panels and benefit from the Fit scheme.
    Would it present any problems moving the Fit payments from one supplier to another?

  • Ranabir Chanda

    Will there be some sort of guarantee for the price? As we know, there is a “cartel” in operation and no sooner have you signed up then the price goes up!!

  • Jamesdalton1945

    I like the idea,but I like many others have a package that includes Gas Electric,Telephone,and broadband. any suggestions

  • Iain

    No, your new supplier will be obliged to continue paying your FIT revenue.

  • Iain

    Yep!

  • Iain

    You have ‘professional’ advice that allowing a room to cool down when you’re not using it uses more energy than keeping it warm all the time?

    I’m sorry to say that’s wrong on a fundamental physical basis.  Heat loss from a room (or a kettle, a person, etc) is proportional to the temperature of that room minus the temperature of the surroundings.  Heat your room at 23°C and it will lose heat at twice the rate as if you keep it at 15°C.  Let it cool to down even further when you go away on holiday and it will lose even less.  
    The idea that it will take more energy to warm it back up again is purely psychological.  You are there to notice the boiler being on for two days straight.  If you left the room warm all the time, you miss the fact that the boiler has run for the equivalent of three or four days while you were away.

  • Rose Foster

    We are with ‘Good Energy’, which is 100% renewable. I’d think the idea is brilliant but I think it is really important only to target the green companies. The mass migration of people to a renewable company would send a very clear message to the other companies as well as reducing bills.

  • Ruth Hope

    will the savings we make mean other customers get charged more to make up the shortfall?

  • frank

    Excellent idea. We are all being ripped off and have been for some years. Can we not also campaign for energy prices being disassociated with oil prices and why can’t we have a simpler method of calculating usage – perhaps based on price per unit consumed instead of the cumbersome metric measurements we have now.

  • BigSwitchForBiz

    I work in the small business electricity and gas sector. I am interested to see how many small business owners would join a similar scheme. The difference to domestic is that business contracts have fixed expiry dates and varying credit statuses. However, if enough business are interested, this would work without question. Please follow @BigSwitchForBiz to register your interest

  • Ian

     Have you checked with your new supplier that the meter isn’t collecting a debt that the previous people have run up?  Also, not all companies charge more for customers on a prepayment meter.  EDF, for example, charge the same prices on prepay for gas and electric as if you have a credit meter.

  • Ian

    If this bill is being done through 38 Degrees, will you in effect be the energy provider?  If so, what will happen about issues such as changing meters and getting faults repaired when things go wrong?  Will you just use the default Meter Operator for that area, as it would have been before.  E.G. EDF for London, South East and South West, E-On for East Midlands etc?

  • John

    It’s not just about price. I have moved to Good Energy for enivironmental and ethical reasons and won’t be switching in the near future.
    However, I would be interested in a campaign to make sure that energy tariffs reward reductions in fossil fuel consumption. Energy companies have been loading price increases onto the daily service charge and thereby reducing savings if users cut consumption. In 2010 Southern Electric reduced the unit cost of gas, but at the same time increased the daily standing charge (by nearly 100%). As a result users with low levels of consumption faced an increase in costs while big consumers saw a reduction in costs. The savings I had made in gas consumption from installing solar thermal were completely wiped out.
    I would have thought most organisations campaigning on CO2 emissions and fuel poverty would also back such an initiative.

  • Leslie

    Good idea and I empathise with all those people who plead for a green tariff but can I make a plea for country dwellers who do not have gas. Will this initiative take account of single fuel users? Better still include negotiations with fuel oil companies.

  • Karen

    I am from Northern Ireland too but guess as Mike says this has no relevance to me as we only have I think two gas suppliers and two electric none of which I am sure will be part of your campaign.  Remember us next time!

  • http://twitter.com/ShaleGasExpert Nick Grealy

    Lucy I used to buy gas and electricity for the NHS:  £500 million pounds at one one point. So I know what I’m talking about.
    And you are SO wrong!  So naive!  You sound as if you’ve been drinking John Major invented Kool Aid.
    That delusion, because that is exactly what it is, is that energy markets are competitive. They aren’t. They are driven by wholesale markets and have prices accordingly.

    If you think that competition drives down energy costs, you should get out more often.  You don’t have to go far.  Take a drive.  Pass by each petrol station. See any bargain petrol station? See any appreciable difference in price? Unless you drive around all day looking, which rather defeats the purpose. Or buy overpriced groceries at a supermarket and other bait and switch tactics.

    Similarly, UK electricity and gas prices come from wholesale movements in natural gas markets.
    There are plenty of issues in the UK domestic market about transparency, but you sound as if you and Which are just re hashing the same old crap.  We hear it all the time from 1997:  If only feckless energy consumers would switch supplier they would have lower prices.

    What is needed, and should be your efforts instead of setting up a supply company is to ask for the end of confusing pricing.  There should be one default tariff that is 100% transparent based on wholesale price movements and published distribution costs and a transparent margin.  That is how large industrials buy gas and power and it saves them millions.

    This month it’s cold.  Guess what?  The wholesale costs have gone up.  But the only option domestic users have is to buy on forward prices:  That is your price moves only once a year or so.  
    The absolutely laughable conceit that crooks like the Big Six tell Ofgem, (and even worse that they believe it !) is that they buy gas and power on wholesale markets up to a year or two in advance, and THEY CAN’T CHANGE that price.  This is laughable to anyone who knows anything about commodity markets.  Their excuse is that in order to ensure supplies they have to fix the price, which is a ridiculous lie.  They have contracts, sometimes lasting for many years,  with big off shore producers or LNG terminals etc, which are based on volumes.  That means the gas will ALWAYS show up absent force majeure.  What is unclear is what price it is.  That price is set by the wholesale markets and changes every day. The price is FOB : Free on Board exactly the same as in oil markets. 

    A transparent price is likely to be up in the cold and down the rest of the year.  I saved the NHS millions most years. And on some years it cost them a little bit more.  But whatever it was, it was 100% transparent.  Hospitals that fell for the energy prices are always going up spiel got killed, and some of the patients too, simply because they confused risk mitigation with risk total avoidance.

    Two final points: In the USA, there are even more companies offering domestic power, and it is insanely easy to switch, next day in most cases.
    However, because the default option is that the local supplier has 100% transparent pricing linked to widely available published wholesale rates that change monthly based on actual meter reads unless you are incredibly risk averse, or gullible, most people stick to the existing supplier. Their only other option is to buy on a fixed price and people aren’t that anal.
    In New York State for example, 85% of customers stay with their existing supplier, in Illinois,over 98% in Chicago for example.

    Interestingly, the second largest supplier in the United States is Direct Energy, owned by Centrica (British Gas).  They have a potential market in the US and Canada of over 250 million in the various states and provinces.  If they had the market share  that Centrica has in the UK that would be well over 120 million households. But they have only two million.  Because people quite rightly feel that they have no influence over wholesale markets and it’s stupid to try and second guess them.  But, most importantly,  the default tariff is the best deal. 

    But in the UK, people often are because they have been sold either Peak Oil or the fairy tale of competition.  

    Any doubts as to what I say?  A very easy test.  Go to the websites of the various stitching up with sites all given at least £40 a customer commission by the Big Six, all hidden from customers of course.

    And all those sites?  Active ONLY in the UK.  Minimal, if any, operations in the US or Europe or anywhere else.  

    Go for a default price structure.  But good luck getting one from the Big Six, and their stitch up site enablers at Ofgem.

    Happy to help further.  It’s a noble cause I’d love to support but hate to see you going about it  the wrong way.  

    Finally, let me point out that if 38 Degrees got the government to act so EVERYONE was on default (with a choice not to of course),  then far more people would save much more money than a narrow range of 38 Degrees followers.  Want to prevent unnecessary deaths among the elderly?  Do it that way so everyone benefits.

  • Nigel Woodcock

    I currently take my gas and elec from Ecotricity and I wouldn’t feel comfortable with switching to, say, British Gas, just to get a few quid off my monthly bill. This is only a good idea if you’re not already with a ‘green’ energy provider like Ecotricity. 

  • Nigel Woodcock

     That’s a great article from Mr. Grealy. Should be blogged and re-posted far and wide!

  • popeandrew

    I note the comments about Co-operative Energy. Do you include them in your criticism?

  • Biscay84

    In my opinion, this is not the best use of the 38 Degrees campaigning power. Firstly for the same reasons as Nick Grealy’s very concise summary. Also I have recently fixed my electricity and gas for 2 years with Southern Electric, therefore cannot participate in this campaign. I’m sure I’m not the only one. I think this is the first time that people are excluded from campaigning and as such this I would say that maybe this isn’t the best use of 38 Degrees resources.

  • Anonymous

    How do you trust your energy supplier when everybody know what they are upto, ripping off our pockets with their obscene bonuses and dividends to their SHAREHOLDERS? Capitalism is but disfunctional.
    How do you compare spending hours to fill up details and end up with nothing in material terms, bloody waste of time, I say. I rather join up with 38 degrees campaign with Which? and hope for saving pennies a fair expectation I think. 

  • ffinlo

    I was expecting a flurry of emails about the nasty Health and Social Care Bill, not a campaign that seems to be more about saving 38degrees members a few pounds. We campaign for the 99%, don’t we?

  • Andy

    I’m pretty concerned this campaign, if successful, will result in the suppliers raising their tariffs for other customers who are generally excluded from the internet – predominantly older customers. I’m in favour of a campaign for clearer pricing but not this.

  • Yvonne Reeves

    Don’t change to British gas.

    They are the Most Expensive Company.
    Their Guarenteed Price is a farce,thats why I Changed Suppier in Decenber 2011.
    because I was using their Gas and Electric and decided to Change they Charged £50 on Each because I was Leaving.
    I had a Big Set to with them and got int cancelled so was then Bombarded with Phone Calls asking me to Go Back with them.
    My New Suppier is 95 cheaper so WHy Would I want to go back to them ever again and Be Ripped Off.

  • Yvonne Reeves

    Nigel,Don’t even think about going over to British Gas,they are the most Expensive Suppier.

    I Changed from them in December 2011,because I was Leaving and was on their Guaranteed Price Scheme they had the Check to put £60 0n each of my Gas and Electricity Bills.
    I had a Big Set to with them and also contacted their Obudsman,,Then Noticed that they had taken  the 2 lots of £50  off of Both Bills.
    The Suppier I have now is 9% Cheaper.
    British gas still Phone me to ask if I had Changed my Mind,I Tell them that I do Not want to Return to them and would they Kindly Not Ring me again? 
    I don’t know which Part of NO they Don’t Understand.

  • Yvonne Reeves

    Yes they are Right,Whoever you Change to want to make sure first that there are NO Outstanding Bills.
     That’s why your Current Suppier wont let you Go until they get what’s Owing,

  • Yvonne Reeves

    Jackaro.
    Just out of Intrest,What is FiT,perhaps we all might like to know if it works out Cheaper .

  • Gary

    To really keep the prices down, shouldn’t Which? waive their commission fee?

    Then this slice of the pie can be deducted from the final negotiated price and benefit us all.

    Anyone from Which care to comment? Or give specifics of how much money they will make if say 30k switch?

  • seafarer

    Why we are doing this is simply because the UK Governments over the last 20 years have failed to do their job. They have become so inept, they have become lazy and have taken the ordinary public for fools.
    They were elected to work for us, but like all MP’s, once elected they become self serving and do nothing except claim expeses and have have Jolly Good Time at our expense. The job of securing cheaper fuels should have been their job in the first place. So now with ‘People Power’ and 38 Degrees have the chance to make them sit up and think because WE are doing the job that WE payed THEM to do, but in reality have failed to do.
    UK Gov’ts have deliberately allowed Utilities to charge what they want because the more they charge, the more they will get back in VAT revenue. Crass British Govt at work, totally useless and pro EU, only interested in revenue.

  • Gordon Mason

     Calm down, dear.  You won’t influence the debate by haranguing people and telling them they are “SO wrong” and “So naive”.  You may well know what you are talking about but you are coming on a bit strong.

  • Mary

    For me, this response doesn’t communicate very much. And I don’t know what this (paragraph) sentence means:
    “But in the UK, people often are because they have been sold either Peak Oil or the fairy tale of competition.”
    This is not a complete sentence. And how can one be sold “Peak Oil?”

  • Stephen Osborn

    There is more to energy supply than just price. It is very important that consumers encourage companies to develop their input from renewables, in order to support measures to tackle climate change. Ecotricity is the primary company par excellence on the development of renewable sources of supply with numerous examples ongoing at present - and if its customers were to switch away from that company, that would send totally the wrong message to the generators. I, for one, will not be jumping ship at this important stage for green energy.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Wendy-Greenhalgh/1040089988 Wendy Greenhalgh

    Wendy Greenhalgh http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/22670Thirdly      Please sign and share.  We need to attack from all sides. This petition for a parliamentary debate has started to grow quickly now, 4,000 signatures in the last 24 hours.

  • cwilliams

    My conservative MP is also a government minister so there’s no chance of persuading him to vote against this bill.  I contacted a few LibDems on my local council and one of them sent my comments to his contacts in parliament so you may also want to try that.

  • http://www.facebook.com/davidbabbs DAvid Babbs

    That’s totally fair enough Stephen – as we make clear above, this campaign is about challenging the power of the big energy companies, not encouraging people to switch away from greener companies like each ecotricity or good energy. We are hoping that these companies will decide to take part in the negotiation and offer us a great deal.

  • http://www.facebook.com/davidbabbs DAvid Babbs

    Hi Andy, I totally agree that raising prices for other customers would not be a good outcome. The 38 Degrees office team has been taking advice from lots of experts in the energy market as we have prepared this campaign, and we are confident that this is not a likely outcome.

    We hope that by changing the power dynamic between customers and the power companies, and proving that cheap deals possible, we will help drive down prices for everyone. And there are obviously other things we will need to continue to campaign for too – including pushing ofgem to tighten up the rules to force the energy companies to make their tariffs clearer.

  • http://www.facebook.com/davidbabbs DAvid Babbs

    You can expect an e-mail about the Health and Social Care Bill tomorrow I reckon! One of the strengths of 38 Degrees is that we can do more than one thing at a time.

    But there is more at stake with this campaign than simply “saving 38 Degrees members a few pounds”. Nearly 7,000,000 households in the UK are now living in fuel poverty, the highest level since records began. All of us are feeling the pinch of rip-off gas and electricity bills, but for many of us it’s making it hard to heat our homes.

    Tackling the power of the energy companies will save us all some money, which is obviously welcome, but it’s also about tackling a major social problem.

  • http://www.facebook.com/davidbabbs DAvid Babbs

    The 38 Degrees office team and Which? can’t confirm the type of tariff
    we’ll be able to offer until we’ve negotiated with the gas and
    electricity suppliers so it’s well worth signing up at this stage so you are sure to hear more information later on.

    Your comments about single fuel users and fuel oil companies have been noted – if the Big Switch works this time but does not cover these tariffs, hopefully we can do it again and on an even more ambitious scale next time.

  • http://www.facebook.com/davidbabbs DAvid Babbs

    Hi Ian, 38 Degrees and Which? will just facilitate negotiations, we won’t take over actually providing the gas and electricity! It will be up to each individual 38 Degrees member who signed up to the Big Switch to switch over to the deal we negotiate if they want to – meters, faults reporting, etc will not be affected.

  • http://www.facebook.com/davidbabbs DAvid Babbs

    The 38 Degrees office team and Which? can’t confirm the type of tariff
    we’ll be able to offer until we’ve negotiated with the gas and
    electricity suppliers so it’s well worth signing up with the Big Switch at this stage so you’re sure to hear further information and be able to work out if the deal we get works for you.

    This is the first time we’ve tried this, so if it works will hopefully be able to be even more ambitious in the future and look at other packages as well.

  • http://www.facebook.com/davidbabbs DAvid Babbs

    sorry to hear about that, sounds like a technical glitch. E-mail your details to emailtheteam@38degrees.org.uk and one of our team will look into it for you.

  • Roger Geffen

    David

    I agree that tackling climate change should not mean high prices, forcing people into fuel poverty.  However I still don’t accept your justification for this campaign.  If 38 Degrees really wants to influence the energy market in favour of sustainability and climate justice, then we should be pulling our collective consumer power out of the big 6 companies altogether, and investing in green energy.  That would not only help bring down the price of green energy, but would give the big 6 something to think about. By contrast, jumping from one fossil-fuel burning multinational to another, in the hope of achieving marginal reductions in the cost of unsustainable energy, is pure deck-chair rearrangement in the face of a climate crisis.

    38 Degrees, please rethink the strategy for this campaign.  Everything else you have have done so far has been great, but this one is deeply misguided.

    Best wishes

  • Eila Goss

    I think we should also be pushing to make the tariffs more transparent.  We are low energy users and object that discounts are given the more energy you use, if everyone paid the same rate for the same number of units it would be much fairer and easier to work out…. I can understand a few discounts for dual fuel and internet savings as you put your own readings in, but whats the excuse for so many confusing tariffs??

  • Eila Goss

    Is there any likelihood of the negotiated tariff being fixed?  A lot of people like the idea of a fixed tariff so they know their charges are not going to increase. As said previously is there any safeguard against the “Best Deal Company” getting all these new customers and then hiking their prices?

  • Adam Clifford

    When you think about it in tory terms,a failing NHS is the gateway for the private sector.People have been saying that this is driven by ideology,and I didn’t get it,because I was thinking about a working NHS.But you get the NHS to shipwreck level,and you get the swarming of insurance companies,lawyers,private clinics,hospitals,consultants etc.-the spawn of the private sector.
    The ideology being that you pay+profit margin for everything.Everything is a commodity,and then it depends on how ugly you wanna get.
    What if the Tories are out to wreck the NHS-end of?
    Elitesville.

  • Mary Dunn

    @David Babbs, I simply do not understand the logic of inviting small energy suppliers who are ethically driven, to get caught up in the old paradigm of “Cheaper Pricing.” That thinking distorts the actual cost of energy consumption, and keeps the delusion intact that we can have all the energy we want for a low price. The party is over, we can’t afford the global melt-down that comes with this unsustainable thinking.

  • cwilliams

     Here’s an interesting article by Cathy Warwick from the Royal College of Midwives who also believes that, deliberately or not, the NHS is being set up for failure:

    http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/the-staggers/2012/01/health-bill-nhs-private-care

  • Lucy N

    In reply to Adam’s message – yes!!!! Privatisation is entirely the point of the bill. Any other explanation is rubbish- apart from Cameron’s misplaced affection for his old boss Andrew Lansley.

    This is all in aid of gravy-train politics.

    Staff: as many as possible on fixed term or insecure contracts with very few entitlements. Understaffing, bullying and de-moralising of staff will continue (or get worse)  as the government will no longer be blamed for this. Sacking of staff will be preferred remedy (cheap).

    GP involvement – aim is to hand over admin to large private experienced commissioning groups (tapping public funds) as most GPs want to provide care and do not want or do not have the expertise to fulfill this role. The government is entirely happy that this should not work out. The government’s commercial friends will get the cash and act as gatekeepers for our health.

    Hospitals: forced to become foundations – private finance essential as biggest potential funding stream: bankruptcy guaranteed for many who actually need to treat real, chronic conditions  (no provision for taking such hospitals back in to public ownership). 

    Localism: a cover for fragmentation and inconsistency, choice versus poverty of provision where the area involved is basically economically challenged already.  The gravy train element is make sure there is a high level of private treatment (even if the patients can’t actually afford it after a while!).

    Attitudenal change: the public is already being groomed towards accepting private healthcare insurance (tv ads are becoming more and more common). The underlying message of these ads is be very afraid (forget you already pay in your taxes for health provision). This is designed to raise money for shareholders and will not fund serious long term conditions, it’s mainly sold to the worried-well on the basis of “convenience” and nice looking interior design (at least in the ads).

    Choice: treatment “any willing provider”: private firms will take on redundant NHS staff and a multiplicity of “provision” of extremely variable quality and coverage will still make gazillions of money for those who know how to target public funds (US firms?). Yes, they may be monitored but you won’t be able to take out legal action against them as the government is getting rid of

    Private health care: GPs are (and always have been) private and are mostly simply contracted to do NHS work – Thank goodness many are currently compassionate and caring rather than commercially orientated and callous. But in future, the clever money will be on those able to syphon off funds for themselves, that is  they decide to deny their patients treatment from the NHS: so even if the loose on the commissioning basis they will win on the treatment front.

    Take a long cold look at those listed as supporting the “reforms”: they are a cover for private health care concerns. Many have been recruited from the very administrative areas of the NHS that the government claims to have cut out to make the NHS more “efficient”!!  

    Yes, the bill is at heart a privatisation charter. Liberal MPs are selling-out this most effective and essential element of our way of life.

  • Anonymous

    Whilst the big and major issue of the Bill passing through parliament is being campaigned about,  can we still look at small bits and pieces that would make the NHS better for the core person, the patient. And maybe even get these put into the Bill currently going through Westminster.

    My website http://www.staffordshire-vote-english.info

    has links to various e-petitions on the government website for you to sign because if the NHS does go private, then the lack of various laws and systems around the patient needs to be addressed.

    Turning nurses into doctors addresses the massive shortage of doctors.

    Turning Healthcare Assistants into ward based trained nurses as they do abroad and doing away with most if not all paperwork, and of the nursing stations.

    Matrons are not immune from redundancy. Move Matrons off all wards and make them a hospital wide Matron team that walks all the wards of a hospital to bring about consistent care, above all doctors and nurses.

    Curtail most if not all management in NHS hospital offices, and sub contract it out just for administration of clock in/out and invoicing etc. The supervision staffing costs then are medical, in the main, that actually walk all the wards of a hospital.

    The hospital wide Matron team to include:

    - Pharmacists to ensure medication administered right
    - Charity reps from such as Patient Concern, Age UK, Pensioners Convention, and illness support groups
    - Members of the public that got poor care or had a loved one get poor care, on a ward of a hospital, so know what to look for.

    No whole hospital delivers poor care. Individual doctors and nurses on a ward are, in effect, a separate hospital to all other wards, as a hospital wide medical supervision that walks all the wards must be missing as some get excellent care in one ward and then a victim gets poor care on another, so consistent supervision must be lacking. Managers in offices are only concerned with paperwork and budgets.

    These small items might save direct patient funding and better direct it in these dire economic times, keep medical staff in employment in staffing that has shortages, and curtail the ageism prevalent in some staff.

    http://www.staffordshire-vote-english.info

    You might care to copy these e-petitions and send them by email to your MP and council hospital scrutiny committee (soon to become Healthwatch and Health and Wellbeing Boards). There is also a link to the Whistleblowing helpline on my website, for information of medical staff / public who witness poor care  in hospitals, whether NHS or private. http://www.staffordshire-vote-english.info

  • E. L.

    An e-petition has been set up on the petitions to the government site requesting a referendum on the NHS “reforms”.  It is called ‘National Health Service national changes referendum request’ .  If 100,000 people sign it then it will/may get debated in the House of Commons.  

  • Martin Esplanade

    The number of signatories seems to have stalled at 44,238. It hasn’t increased at all this morning. Is this a fault wiht he site, or has it closed? Or is that everyone that is ever likely to sign up?

  • Mark Cunningham

    http://www.modernising-the-nhs.co.uk/index.php

    For or Against the Reforms, this event is for you. Contact 0161 211 3058 for discounted attendance or more info.

  • http://www.facebook.com/davidbabbs DAvid Babbs

    It will be up to every energy company to decide whether or not they take part. I think lots of us would think it would be great if the small energy company came out on top.

    We address the broader point about the role of high gas and electricity prices in tackling climate change in the question and answers above.

    16 38 Degrees campaigns to tackle climate change – so shouldn’t you be in favour of higher bills to bring down fossil fuel use?

    38 Degrees members regularly take action to push the government
    to tackle climate change – most recently campaigning for Nick Clegg to
    block efforts to import oil from Canadian tar sands into Europe.

    38 Degrees members have also voted to challenge rip-off gas and
    electricity prices. We’ve seen that gas and electricity prices are
    rising, even when wholesale prices fall. We’ve seen huge profits from
    gas and electricity companies. And we’ve seen rising levels of fuel
    poverty. If, with more and more families in the UK unable to afford to
    heat their homes.

    Most 38 Degrees members don’t see a contradiction between wanting to
    tackle climate change and wanting to tackle rip-off gas and electricity
    bills – because we don’t believe that the way to bring down carbon
    emissions is to allow the big energy companies to make excessive profits
    stop poor people being able to afford to heat their homes.

    Tackling climate change shouldn’t mean cold homes. Buildings need to
    be better insulated. Investment in renewables will reduce our
    vulnerability to fluctuations in global gas and oil prices. 38 Degrees
    members will continue to campaign for things like this to happen
    alongside campaigning against energy company profiteering.

    Fuel poverty currently affects nearly 7,000,000 UK households, it’s a major social problem and it’s at its highest level since records began. That isn’t sustainable and it isn’t just.

  • http://www.facebook.com/davidbabbs DAvid Babbs

    I think it’s probably because a lot of people are currently voting to help decide what 38 Degrees does next in our NHS campaign and it’s slowing other bits of the site down a little bit. I’m sure the number will keep climbing. It’s already pretty huge though!

  • http://www.facebook.com/davidbabbs DAvid Babbs

    Working with experts from Which? will mean we are able to really go through the small print of any potential deal to avoid this kind of dodgy practice happening.

    Totally agree about the need for tariffs to be made simpler – this is something many 38 Degrees members have raised, and something we can campaign for alongside the big switch.

  • Sue Don

    When the private sector hire a nurse – or use4 an agency nurse – they should refund the NHS the cost of training that nurse – or doctor

  • Gordon

    What about the “fixed tariff” deals some of us are on? Do we have to wait until these expire, or will we be able to switch to the negotiated offer before then?

  • jo jo

    http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/22670  sign the petition to drop the bill to go to MPs if we can get 100k people signed up

  • Martin Esplanade

    Lets hope so. We’d all like to see the number grow, but I think there is some more serious fault. It is still stuck at 44,238.

  • Jen Williams

    I’ve signed every petition on the internet and it has made no real difference. Neither will this one as the closing date is after the Queen’s speech .
    I wonder if we can persuade her not to pass the bill!

  • Acmereeves

    what is the total exepence bill for one month for all m. p,s in the house of parlement.do they claim in anyway for thier heating

  • Michael Simmons

    We need a huge demonstration of popular support – 100,000 people – in Central London urgently – there is enough concern now that people will come out.  Petitions have little effect but Cameron is feeling hard pressed and ignoring a big demonstration puts him into the same situation as Blair over Iraq and he wont like it.  I call for Saturday 3rd March – Trafalgar Square – mass popular organising plus the whole Trades Union and Labour Movement.  Campaign slogan – “The Peoples’ Campaign to Save the NHS!”

  • Rafman925

    Thanks for an excelleent video. I certainly stand behind you big time. Stan.

  • Lucy N

     The unions are planning a large demo on 7 March.

  • Dr Roger Anderson

    Be on the lookout for the large providers colluding on prices

  • http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ MJ Ray

    If you sign up to this buying group, you’d switch back to them because they were offering 10% cheaper than their old rate for the life of the deal. I suspect we both agree about what would happen as soon as the deal ended… prices right back up and hope that some people fail to notice or generally misbehave and make a mess of people trying to switch away, to discourage them from group-buying in future.

    On British Gas calling you despite being asked not to, it sounds like time to complain to http://www.ICO.gov.uk

  • Jonathan Carter

    I hope this works but I signed up for the Pipeline card many years ago when Ben Scammell tried to do pretty much the same thing with the oil/petrol companies and they simply refused to play ball – very frustrating. Can’t help thinking that a degree of legislation is required in the mix.

  • Lauriegarratt

    this sounds like a good scheme. hope it works, then you could tackle the petrol companies perhaps.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Wendy-Greenhalgh/1040089988 Wendy Greenhalgh

    http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/22670Thirdly Now growing at rate of 4,000 a day. Please sign and share. http://www.38degrees.org.uk/page/s/Protect_our_NHS_Petition Has just hit the half a million mark!!!  Guardian’s top story tonight ‘Libdems to call for motion to withdraw the Bill at Libdem Conference’

  • Laurence

    There is one company I know, who will pay the leaving fees on your behalf, and make a contribution of up to £200.

  • Laurence

    Two questions:

    Who will handle the billing?

    Who will deal with customer care?

  • cwilliams

    These are the type of companies we could get running our health service. Please help to stop these ‘reforms’:

    http://eoin-clarke.blogspot.com/2012/02/if-nhs-bill-passes-this-private-company.html

    http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/22670Thirdly

     

  • Elaine

    Great new save the NHS video and song. I posted on the other comment thread but not sure how they link :
    http://youtu.be/I7onNFNKH6Y

  • http://makewealthhistory.org/2012/02/10/the-big-switch-collective-bargaining-for-cheaper-energy/ The Big Switch: collective bargaining for cheaper energy | Make Wealth History

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  • Lucy N

    Here’s a link to the London part of the unpublished register risk :

    liberalconspiracy.org/2012/02/09/the-nhs-london-risk-register-that-exposes-lansley/

  • http://twitter.com/ohrockyrocky Mike S

    The energy company that comes in with the lowest prices…

  • Anonymous

    Of course you could just switch to Co-op energy who seem to offer both the best and fairest deals and you share the profits and as a Co-op they answer to you not overseas shareholders.

  • Daveylocker

     When old ,frail people who have fought for our freedom in world wars are subjected to the humiliation of having to go to bed in the day to keep warm then this is a shameful reflection on fat cat society.Do they have no conscience?
    Lets hope the heating systems in their posh cars dont fail.

  • Laurence

    That is all very well, however, you may end up with ONLY online customer support, due to the lower prices being paid, and a lot of people do not want that.

  • rm

    For those of us brought up to switch off lights and heating to save money – ie low users -who live alone -can you help find a transparent billing that does not rely on high usage to ‘save’ money. Most companies have a lower rate once one uses more energy – but this is hardly ‘green’ – it encourages high usage – and some of us are too poor to afford that anyway

  • HC

    Why not Kaye? The amount that we pay for fuel in all forms is subject to huge inflation to create massive profits, and surely the purpose of 38degrees is to speak for all of its members against anything that’s unfair. I am currently on a green energy package but after several price hikes i can no longer afford it. Comparing my existing switch options it looks like I’ll be forced to go for a non-green package if I am to keep a roof over my head. Surely if prices were fairer and options more transparent, more people would feel able to choose renewable energy sources, and providers would have a greater incentive to offer this at a more reasonable rate. As for petrol, punishing the end consumer with extortionate prices changes very little in the long run – as long as companies (+ let’s not forget governments) are allowed to make such massive profits then there is little to encourage the development of more sustainable alternatives or investment in public transport. I appreciate your concern for our environment but feel it’s unfair to look down on those who have real and pressing financial concerns and differing needs or priorities to you (every member of 38deg has a voice after all, + it is by no means an exclusively environmental campaigning group). I think it’s important to realise that saving money for people hit hard by economic circumstances not of their making is just as important in the big picture as promoting sustainable living; both rely on empowering individuals and breaking down some of the hold that large corporations have over both our pockets and government policy .

  • Martinilkley

    I am also a Which member ; they too have asked me to sign up. Iassume that I only sign up with one orgnisation 

  • http://some.randomhash.net/38d/stop-the-gas-and-electricity-rip-off:02110516.39 @somerandomhash » Stop the gas and electricity rip-off

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  • glyn

     i’m in the process of moving over to the Co-op from SSE,as i joined the fixed tariff with SSE about 4 weeks ago there charging me £80 for the pleasure,i’m sick and tired of being ripped off,its a national disgrace the way our foreign run utility companies have been allowed to rip off the british public.

  • Carl Holmes

    come on 38 degrees can we please have a campaign against george osbournes determination to relax and weaken our vital wildlife/environment laws which he claims are getting in the way of growth this attitude is wrong GDP is bollocks wellbeing and happiness is whats importan we need to get this message across to him sustainable growth

    he has already started first with planning laws , and now with pollution, asbestos laws

  • TC

    They charge more until you’ve passed a certain usage threshold in order to cover what used to be a standing charge. Tariffs which don’t feature this selective pricing will have a standing charge per day/month, which you’ll pay even if you use no energy at all.

  • Carl Holmes

    http://bit.ly/x4Ufsc @wwwfoecouk   Friends of the Earth: Help save the laws that protect all of us from pollution

  • http://www.torse.co.uk/ TORSE MTJ

    Whilst on the face of it this is an eminently laudable venture [I have signed up on a personal basis].  What happens if they’re not interested?  I work in the Commercial Energy sector dealing with these same organisations on a daily basis.Their Retail businesses are so inefficient,it actually costs them more just to buy and sell energy, than it does to produce.The Big 6 in particular, are under pressure from shareholders to increase margins, how will they do that by reducing the rates on their stagnant domestic customer base? We experience more and more frequently, suppliers simply refusing to tender for Electricity and Gas contracts.In their commercial world  they may simply choose to let another supplier bid, and rely on the fact that the majority will not actually follow the process through to its conclusion. We may find we have reduced choice and indeed less options, which limits the level of competition in an already ‘oligopolistic’ marketplace.If we wish to protect consumers, perhaps the reality can only be legislation, which both the current government and opposition will be extremely wary of engaging in. Ofgem are still trying to persuade the government to give them actual powers to punish the transgressions of suppliers.We shall see. M T Johnson

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  • ffinlo

    But even the Co-Op don’t bill you for actual energy used but rather a fixed amount direct-debited each month based on an estimate, “Your direct debit will be calculated based on the price estimate we gave you before you signed up…We will review your direct debit amount every 6 months because we want
    to make sure your direct debit is always accurately reflecting your
    actual consumption”. No doubt this is to serve the Co-Op’s business model — guaranteeing income rather than genuinely helping the customer. If they change to billing on actual usage each month (or quarterly) then I will switch.

  • Asrobs

    I FEEL THAT THE BANKS SHOULD BE NEXT TO BE HELD TO ACCOUNT , THINK OF IT    50,000 PEOPLE CHANGING THEIR ACCOUNTS     THAT SHOULD BE WORTHWHILE AS A QUEST FOR A FAIR DEAL—, MAKE THEM PAY US IF WE ARE IN CREDIT!!!!!

  • Carl Holmes

    hi there asrobs there already  is visit Move Your Money uk and find out what your bank is up to and pledge to move to good alternatives , i have moved from santander over to the co operative

  • glyn

     Thats true,their charging me £72 a month for both gas and electric,that works out at around £820 a year for both the gas and electric.I’m certain that will be reduced as in the spring/summer i use very little gas.But as i’m still with SSE as my changeover will take another 3 weeks i cant wait as my gas bill alone from SSE for the last 3 months is just over £200,that takes into account a £40 debit payment i made to keep my gas bill low ( joke that was ),so in reality my gas bill was £240 and rising.My leccy bill was £94 alone so in changing to the Co-op,ive nothing to lose,plus there paying my £80 ‘ fine ‘ for leaving my fixed tarriff with SSE,i’ll be glad to see the back of them.God only knows how pensioners/unemployed are managing.

  • Martin Esplanade

    Obviously the more people that sign up, the better. However I’d like to know what your target number is. There is probably a threshold below which it’s simply not worth the big companies bothering.

    Also, could they not simply agree amongst themselves to refuse to negotiate? Such an agreement might not formally constitute a cartel, and therefore be perfectly legal.

  • Kay & Brian Short

    We are with N.Power for both Gas/Electric so will get  dual fuel allowance.Even if not not worth us changing supplier we are all for what you are  doing.

  • Ray Rogerson

    Great idea hope it works.this BIG SIX cartel needs to be sorted out. How have we ended up with our energy and water industry being owned mainly by foreign companies. They. or our govmt` could`nt seem to care less how or wether the british people can afford their prices. They only care about how much they can get out of us. imagine the French or Germans putting up with it, they`d be blocking the streets with lorries. Next step should be sorting out banks and fuel prices.   

  • Guy King

    If you do tackle other issues in the future, the one I’d like most is the complexity of tariffs. The idea of having one rate for the first few kWhrs and then a lower rate seems designed to muddy the waters. And anway, if they’re concerned about lowering demand for environmental reasons it’s all arse-about-face. Energy should cost more as you use more, not less.

  • Whcandlin

    i would like to see concideration for people  with definitive medical  problems .my wife is partially sighted. we have to have lights on thro out the day.  large bills and no help.

  • Martin Esplanade

    There are around 24 million households in the UK. Assuming the big six have split this equally between them, then that’s about 4 million each. It is looking as if we will get about 80,000 signitories – neglecting any sudden surge which may occur – which is only 2% of each company’s share.

    If – as seems likely, unfortunately - the big six simply ignore any attempt to negotiate, or make a derisory offer, is there any possibility of the 38 degrees partnership with Which setting up a non-profit power company of our own?

    As they seem to do little more than buy electricity from generators and sell it to the public at a profit, is this not something that could be done by anyone on a non-profit basis?. Would 80,000 be enough to make this a viable proposition?

  • Blackwell110

    As a new user to Coop Energy you are encouraged to file your usage on a monthly basis so that your tariff can be adjusted to fit your actual usage. Check out their website for details:- 
    http://www.cooperativeenergy.coop

  • Brenda Williams

    Try Utility Warehouse..they are the cheapest and are already doing what Which are claiming to be the first!1

  • Ralph Thrower

    You have hit the nail right on the head. Why in the meantime don’t you switch to Coop Energy. They only have a single tariff and the price is the same no matter the amount of consumption

  • Margolewis

    We have a standard and off peak meter for electricity, will we be able to switch with both of them? 

  • Carl Holmes

      to support a clean renewable energy future visit http://www.ecotricity.co.uk/ ivesting more in clean electricity and gas

    Like MOVE YOUR MONEY campain we need to do the same moving away from big six and towards new providers supporting clean energy  like anything you buy we wont the best service so why are we stuck with the greedy big six who only look after themselves

  • Carl Holmes

    link to  http://moveyourmoney.org.uk/ 
    visit the site and find out what your bank invests in  arms, mining which displaces indigenous communitys and so on. Then  pledge to change banks over to co operative, credit unions, e.c.t.  so esy to switch .

    If goverment isnt going to get  out of bed with the banks then its up to us to do something about it to reform our debt driven banking system and  for that i recommend you visit http://www.youtube.com http http://www.positivemoney.org.uk a real eye opener POWER TO THE PEOPLE

  • Richard

    This is a great campaign but also potentially a big missed opportunity. To really secure our energy future and bring prices down, we need to invest in green energy. If you manage to make thousands of people simply switch to another fossil fuel supplier, then it is a long term own goal. I hope that you will bear this in mind and at least provide a green option. I have been very happy with Ecotrcity for many years.

  • Choc

    try ebico for gas and electric.. 1 rate and no standing charges so you only pay for what you’ve used.

  • Choc

    again… ebico have 1 rate and no standing charges

  • Clive Hillman

    Another great campaigning idea from 38Degrees! We who pay ‘the bills’ for the various governments mismanagment and ‘cosy’ relationships with banks and businesses deserve a voice and ‘lobbying your MP’ appears to be a useless exercise! It is impossible for individuals to hold those named above to account without a strong ‘mass-lobby’ or through the press (preferably both). Keep up the good work! Can we also get a lobby going to ensure we get a ‘grown-up’ debate on this country’s future energy needs and sources of supply – short term government, the length of a parliament being 5 years, means short term thinking rather than real strategic planning. We need to really get this sorted before the lights really do go out at least when the inevitable rationing starts!

  • Martin Esplanade

    Why the sudden surge in signees? Did it get some good publicity somewhere? Its great news anyway. I was beginning to think it wouldn’t grow much more.

  • Gordon

    I think I’m automatically excluded from this particular campaign as I have pre-pay meters for both gas and electric. By default, they are a different tariff.
    Over the last 12 years I’ve been in and out of work and got behind with paying the bills. I’m out of work at present. The meters have been taking a big chunk of money through the winter, so a new deal would have been great news. 
    I’ve not seen anything to say that pre-pay customers would benefit from the proposals ?

  • George Row

    You don’t include my supplier  -  PowerNI – on the menu on the registration form.  They are the largest energy supplier in Northern Ireland.  Should I assume from their absence that you are intending to act only on behalf of consumers in Britain and not for those of the UK as a whole?   

  • Lin

    Your recent forms will accept name etc, but will not allow me to sign or insert city so it becomes invalid. Ideas?

  • Mary Dunn

    I have posted previously about the need to scale back our dependence on fossil fuels, etc, and appreciate that we also need to gain more say in how the Big 6 drive the economics. BUT, I was sad and alarmed to here the WHICH spokesman interviewed on Radio 2 on Friday, and not ONE WORD was mentioned about individuals taking responsibility for their consumption or the environment. Saving money was the only thing on the agenda. I strongly urge 38 Degrees to have more to say for the lifestyle changes that are required in order to keep the environment safe.

  • Mark bushell

    Great idea. Keep up the good work!

  • A. Non

    I’d be interested to know if this will be accessible to customers on cash Pay As You Go tariffs, who tend to be paying the highest premiums of all.

  • Leacroft

    When you are negotiating … please avoid the ‘trick’ these companies might attempt to pull – secretly and collectively.

    I would not be at all surprised to hear you/Which/ and the companies agree a ‘collective’ deal – which you ‘pass on’ to us – only for them to start another mailing campaign offering lower prices and differing conditions directly from them if we say ‘no thanks’ to the collective deal offer.

    They will try to do that to make you look ineffective..

  • millgate

    As for the next campaign against the banks … much power to our ‘collective’ arms!

    I think the campaign should be that we would all switch to – any bank – that agrees to hold its bonus cost ‘bucket’ – overall – to not more than 10% of their profit pot. 

    What’s more … if a bank makes no profit it must not pay any bonuses.

    If the bank is Government owned … at least 65% of their notional profits should be paid back to the Government within 3 months – and ALL bonuses should be funded from their remaining 35% of their retained profits.

  • Carl Holmes

    visit MOVE YOUR MONEY UK ive just closed my account with SANTANDER and opened with co operative bank ethical, exellent cutomer service  http://moveyourmoney.org.uk/

  • Wenda Sturrock

    I am afraid that I think you have missed the point with this campaign. You are just perpetuating the climate where those who are capable can switch and get the best deals. the people who really need cheaper fuel are the low paid and vulnerable, who are often on pre-pay tariffs and may not have access to the internet, so will not join your campaign.

  • Johnethompson

    Does this not apply to n ireland suppliers??

  • sensiboy

    “Most 38 Degrees members don’t see a contradiction between wanting to tackle climate change and wanting to tackle rip-off gas and electricity bills”. Yes, so you should be negotiating with a renewable energy supplier and finding a way to ensure that those suffering fuel poverty can be included in the deal

  • Carl Holmes

     switch to  http://www.ecotricity.co.uk/ clean renewable energy, supplier, generator and excellent cutomer service

  • Carl Holmes

    ditch the big greedy energy companies relient on fossil fuels
    and switch to ecotricity watch this ditch the big six  http://www.ecotricity.co.uk/

  • Jen Williams

    I did it months ago, and unlike switching to other companies, this was really easy. I had no problems, and still do not. Agreed that people will not save any money, but their profits go to building renewables, not just wind turbines.
    By the way, Ecotricity have the only wind turbine you can climb, in Swaffham, Norfolk.

  • http://www.internationalpatentservice.com/US-USPTO-Patent.html USPTO SEARCH

    Big Switch is a television show based on slum kids hosted by Genelia D’Souza on UTV Bindass channel. In the show, ten rich brats from around the country, are paired with a youngster from the slums, referred to as a “slum buddy”. The rich brats live in the slums and try to fulfil their slum buddie’s dreams.

  • http://libertarianhome.co.uk/2012/03/the-big-switch/ The Big Switch | Libertarian Home

    [...] Big Switch March 1, 2012By Simon GibbsThe Big Switch  – 38 Degrees / Which? team [...]

  • Glowrider

    Our local “tory ” MP refuses to sign stating existing regulation and her governments initiatives to make tariffs clearer and more consumer friendly is adequate at the moment. Most amusing statement in her letter of reply ” The companies usually buy forward in the wholesale market to smooth the overall cost of gas for its company and its customers, which is why movements in the market (both up and down) are not immediately reflected in prices for customers”

    So why in that case have there been significant historical increases passed on immediately to the customer on the justification of sudden increases in the wholesale market.? Why have we not seen parity in decreases of costs passed back to the customer when wholesale prices have fallen and why have these reductions taken several months to be implemented? Why do the utility companies hike their rates each year just before the peak demand period in the late Autumn? Why do certain utility companies then  try to seize some moral high ground by announcing reductions because they claim they are a “caring company” just before the beginning of the low demand period in the early spring? Are the governemnt not representatives of the people? Are the people not “customers” of these companies ? Therefore in the existing climate does the government not have a moral duty to support initiatives that give back some negotiating power to the people to break the cartel of commerciality that is profiteering in a time of austerity? Or perhaps the government seek to keep costs high so they can generate tax revenues as is the case with fuel costs.

  • Carl Holmes

     switch to  http://www.ecotricity.co.uk/ clean renewable energy, supplier, generator and excellent cutomer service

  • http://twitter.com/combyne combyne-laurence

    I take Carl you work for this company

  • http://twitter.com/combyne combyne-laurence

    I take Carl you work for this company

  • Carl Holmes

     no i just hate the fossil fuel industry and we need to take our energy back into our hands clean renewable energy, how did we let big corporations take complete control over our energy system profit driven fat cats

  • Carl Holmes

     ive yet to change over to ecotricity myself as i want to see what if anything happens with 38 degrees campaign first

  • Jim Dignan

    I switched to Ecotricity partly because of their commitment to renewable energy and partly because they were the only company willing to offer a fairer rate for the electricity we produce from our solar panels (which were installed too long ago to qualify for the feed-in-tariff).  As others have noted, their customer service is also excellent.  I would not wish to switch from them but hope that 38 degrees campaign might help to boost the number of customers they have as this would help to increase the amount of renewable energy we produce.  I have also banked with the Co-op Bank for many years because of its environmental and ethical principles, but that is another story (and, hopefully, another campaign for 38 degrees to mount in coming months).

  • Carl Holmes

    bank on something better  http://www.moveyourmoney.org.uk/move-your-money-month
    pledge to move your money to register your vote against business as usual and help to build a better banking system.

    ive just switched banks from santander (which i thought was ok how wrong i was ) over to the co operative ethical banking there is also credit unions investing in community and more

    why wont 38 degrees come on board and help this campaign grow

  • Carol_boyles

    I have a friend who wants to sign up but he is not on the internet how does he do it

  • Carl Holmes

    use his friends internet

  • Carl Holmes

     we need to ditch the big six altogether and instead set up community clean energy projects up and down the country and switching providers to clean energy ECOTRICTY

    come on people ditch the big six its the only way we can have clean affordable energy in the future as goverment are too cosy with the big six

  • Chris Elliott

    Saw Guardian saying Which is trying to get £8 million profit from this http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2012/mar/23/which-big-energy-ecotricity.   How much profit will go to 38 degrees?

    taking  £40 referral fee seems a bit steep – or are Which ripping off 38 degree members?

  • Chris Elliott

    Ecotricity won’t participate with Which/38 degrees.  http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2012/mar/23/which-big-energy-ecotricity 

    I agree with you by having so many people in the switch and trying to get more all the time – looks to me like we are stuffing all the small energy companies and giving more power to the big six – weird – my girlfriend subscribes to 38 degrees and we did a stop the big six rip off a few weeks ago. She told me to sign up here today.

    now I see this and it looks like 38 degrees are making sure they help smash all competition for the big six.  Collective switch is a great idea but  I won’t do collective switch unless the small energy companies are part of it

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Fergus-McInnes/545414159 Fergus McInnes

    Have you seen the open letter from the Department of Energy and Climate Change to energy suppliers, stating government support for collective purchasing schemes?  Dated 23rd March, and available here: http://www.decc.gov.uk/assets/decc/11/meeting-energy-demand/energy-markets/4734-open-letter-from-the-secretary-of-state-to-energy-.pdf

  • Guest

    Which get £40 per customer out of this and you fail to mention this!

    Our gas and electricity prices are some of the lowest in Europe. Most people could save more by using these resources wisely and this would be far better for the planet. You should be looking to encourage renewable energy use.

  • Peter

    What happens to my solar Feed in Tariff, paid by SSE.  Can I stop being supplied by Southern Electric (SSE) and yet retain them as my solarPV FIT provider?

  • http://twitter.com/ntreviv Nathan Trevivian

    What’s to stop the “winning company” from raising their prices X months after everyone’s signed up? Are you negotiating against that as well?

  • Samantha

    Me too Gordon, I’m a single mum and when EON took me off my payment plan because i got behind with payments they didn’t send me a bill. They then back-billed me and came up with £3000 which i have been paying off for years through token meters, I have been told I cannott switch untill the arrears are paid off which in my current financial situation won’t be anytime soon.

  • Sandi

    I think the big power companies do rip us off but I am not going to join this particular campaign.  Instead I am going to switch to a company that only uses renewables  e.g. Good Energy.  This may or may not be more expensive but it is cheaper in the long run if it helps save our planet.

  • Mike

    I’m concerned that several posters are creating diversionary points that will hamper negotiations with the power companies. If you don’t like the excellent principle of this exercise then drop out. 

  • Carl Holmes

    we all need to switch to ecotricty  http://www.ecotricity.co.uk/  invests all money into clean renewable energy , ecotricity invests more of our bills into renewable energy than all of the suppliers even good energy are put to shame

    come on people ditch the big six

  • Carl Holmes

    we all need to switch to ecotricty  http://www.ecotricity.co.uk/  invests all money into clean renewable energy , ecotricity invests more of our bills into renewable energy than all of the suppliers even good energy are put to shame

    come on people ditch the big six

  • Mardi

    I am concearned that companies such as EDF who are currently trying to build yet another nuclear at Hinkley Point and other sites around Britain will offer a great deal on their energy prices to this campaign. Giving themselves greater validation for the need for this nasty; destructive and extremely harmful form of energy.
     
    Plus the energy companies always offer the best deal to entice customers to them, then shortly afterwards put up their prices higher than other companies. Further more they all reduce their prives in spring summer when consumption is lowest(ie. no heating on and greater length of daylight), then hike their prices really high once autum/winter comes when they all know our consumption is highest(Heating and increased nighttime periods).

    Maybe 38 degrees would be better off concentrating on pushing politicians into making businesses turn off all un-necessary energy consumption at night time, when people are not purchasing products they so love to display. And councils to shut down all un-necessary energy in their buildings and park and rides, which seem to be lite up like christmas trees at night time.Councils also need to invest in a lighting system that works on a security light basis, with sensors that light up 2 or 3 lamp-posts when they sense the movement of people or vehicles. But will switch off again when no movement is detected after 60/120 seconds.

    Because reducing consumption on a mass scale will reduce the need for these so called safe; clean nuclear power plants; it would also reduce the price we all pay as a whole as the need for energy is so called priced on an as needed basis(the more we need the greater the cost.  
        

  • Mardi

    sorry for bad speeling but you get the drift

  • Laurence Lowne

    Carl, the last time , we messaged, you still hadn’t signed up with Ecotricity – has that changed now?

    Also, are you aware, the tax payer subsidises this company with six figure payments, when the wind doesn’t blow?

    So that is everyone here, who pays tax, pays money to Ecotricity.

    Is that right and proper?

  • Laurence Lowne

    nothing whatsoever, Nathan – excellent point

  • Laurence Lowne

    The rules of the FIT scheme usually mean the FIT is paid by the provider of your usual usage, so I would expect the answer to be a big no.

  • Laurence Lowne

    go to a library

  • Laurence Lowne

    so your comments are based on hearsay – you have no direct experience.

  • Laurence Lowne

    nope – you will be wrong type of customer is my guess

  • Laurence Lowne

    Northern Ireland is NOT a deregulated supply area, when it comes to energy, so will always be excluded.

  • Jackie Moore01

    What about consumers in Northern Ireland?  Why are we not included in this?  We are part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland so why are we being left out?

  • Carl Holmes

     no i was’nt aware of ecotricty being subsidised where did you get this from and no i still havent as im waiting to see what the outcome of this campaign is either way i will be switching to ecotricity its either that or setting up a community energy scheme wind or solar theirs no going back to the big six keeping us hooked on expensive fossil fuels

  • Carl Holmes

     no i was’nt aware of ecotricty being subsidised where did you get this from and no i still havent as im waiting to see what the outcome of this campaign is either way i will be switching to ecotricity its either that or setting up a community energy scheme wind or solar theirs no going back to the big six keeping us hooked on expensive fossil fuels

  • Laurence Lowne

    every single UK company that purports to deliver renewable energy is subsidised. Without such such subsidy, they would cease trading.

    Here’s how the Telgraph summed it up for Ecotricity:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/windpower/7840036/The-hippy-wind-farm-tycoon-receiving-millions-in-subsidies.html

    And the cause? This piece of legislation – Renewable Obligation Certificate (ROC)

    More about subsidy’s here: http://www.ruralvoice.co.uk/tag/ecotricity/

    Then Ecotricity are so supportive of the Big Switch? Not at all, here’s what Dale Vince had to say:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2012/mar/23/which-big-energy-ecotricity

  • Carl Holmes

    this campaign on lowering bills is not going to work 6 energy companies have agreed not to particapate

    we need a campaign demanding a clean renewable energy future as this goverment is bending over backwards for dirty,expensive gas  and highly dangerous, expensive nuclear both of which would be highly subsidiezed by us consumers an the argument of cost renewables have the lest impact on bills and even with very little subsidy costs for renewables are falling sharply unlike fossil fuels that have been massivly subsidiesed in past years thing is they make billions in profit every year and yet goverment in the recent budget has agreed to give big oil a huge 3 billion subsidy to drill off shetland isles

    so we wont cheaper bills yes so do i but the way to get cheaper bills will be to demand a clean renewable energy future wind, solar, wave, tidal, waste to energy .

    as well we need to reduce demand so much effort on producing more energy cheapest way wud be to reduce demand better efficientcy in homes and businesess things like in transport homes, small medium and large businesess and a more efficent grid

  • Guest

    Is there any news about the negotiations with the energy provders? Am i right in thinking the negotiations started on the 28th March.

  • Martin Esplanade

    I believe five of the big six have refused to have anything to do with this campaign. They claim it lacks ‘transparency’ How’s that for hypocrisy then?

    So what happens now? If they refuse to negotiate, isn’t this evidence of a Cartel which is illegal?

    If they refuse to negotiate, why doesn’t ‘Which’ set up a supply company and undercut them?

  • Martin

    We have solar panels, how will this affect my FIT?

  • peter ambler

    i live alone o a p  ive only electricity  yet my bills are £300 a quarter  my heating cooking and hot water all come from a rayburn solid fuel stove wood and coal .so really all i have is lights tv and computer  washing machune and dryer evey 2 weeks  no electric kettles ect  in summer i use a halogen cooker  for light snacks ect  so how come my bill is so expensive peter ambler

  • http://greenacres-lindale.co.uk/ Greenacres GuesthouseLindale

    ‘However, we will not be able to compensate you if you do not achieve your anticipated savings, or for any loss you may suffer as a result of:
    > any mistake we make with the content on our website;’

    Not sure we like this comment on the terms and conditions.  Do not think it would stand up in a British Court.  Any information Which include on their website is their responsibilty.

     

  • Julia Rothnie

    I have filled in the form but I do not know how long I am locked in for. How many others like me panicked and went for lock in price?

  • Veronica M McKenry

    I am with Age concern plan at present and wonder is it worth going on with the switchover? Will I jump from the frying pan into the fire?M Mc

  • Jay Mitchell

    The Which questionnaire asked for details of the gas tariff I am on but then didn’t show an option for “Equigas General” which is what is on my bill.

  • Anonymous

    And how much public money subsidises the Nuclear Industry Laurence?

    FactCheck Website:

    Quote: The Nuclear Decommissioning Authority is spending around £1 billion a year for the next 70 years (yes more than £70 billion) on waste disposal and decommisioning the existing fleet. Nuclear is also only low carbon on comparison to coal and gas, producing 6 times the carbon over the full “cradle to grave” life cycle than wind power.

    And that’s just on decommissioning alone. It doesn’t cover the running aspects nor does it cover the security costs, which we all pay for.

    The Nuclear Industry are allowed by Government ( I wonder why? lol) to omit the decommissioning costs from their figures when in comparison to renewables – who aren’t allowed to do this.

    It’s not a level playing field now is it.

  • Robertgmam

    They might change their minds, if we all switch to whatever existing tariff is the least expensive. Potentially, 5 out of the 6 of them could lose up to a quarter of a million customers in one go. Presumably, that is the fall-back postion, if they won’t co-operate. Not ideal, I know, but still a swift kick up the behind.

  • Briantrehane

    my existing contract is up for renewal on june 2nd this year will there be time to switch to your supplier

  • Helenmurtagh

    The questionnaire asked for both gas and electricity tariffs but did not give the Southern Electric option for either. General Domestic for electricity and General Saver for gas.

  • Duffy1944

    I have only one question, what guarantee is there that the company chosen, will not just take us on, only to bring prices in line with others once they have got the business, a general trait nowdays

  • Patandgarryhud

    No questions were asked about discounts, I get  about 10% altogether.

  • Carl Holmes

      this campaign on lowering bills is not going to work 6 energy companies have agreed not to particapate

    we need a campaign demanding a clean renewable energy future as this
    goverment is bending over backwards for dirty,expensive gas  and highly
    dangerous, expensive nuclear both of which would be highly subsidiezed
    by us consumers an the argument of cost renewables have the lest impact
    on bills and even with very little subsidy costs for renewables are
    falling sharply unlike fossil fuels that have been massivly subsidiesed
    in past years thing is they make billions in profit every year and yet
    goverment in the recent budget has agreed to give big oil a huge 3
    billion subsidy to drill off shetland isles

    so we wont cheaper bills yes so do i but the way to get cheaper bills
    will be to demand a clean renewable energy future wind, solar, wave,
    tidal, waste to energy .

    as well we need to reduce demand so much effort on producing more
    energy cheapest way wud be to reduce demand better efficientcy in homes
    and businesess things like in transport homes, small medium and large
    businesess and a more efficent grid

  • Carl Holmes

     a clean renewable energy future would bring about more jobs , increase our energy security as we would be less reliant on foregin oil and gas, dramatically reduce our emissions helping fight global warming, and most importantly reduce our bills in long term, and so much more but we have to fight vested interests, big oil spend millions every year lobbying politicans like george osbourne keeping us hooked on fossil fuels we ned to ditch the big six fossil buddies and switch providers to ecotricty http://www.ecotricity.co.uk/, or set up our own community energy http://www.rivercottage.net/images/phpThumb.php/q=100;815×220;zc=1;/var/images/Headers/energyshare_rc_header.jpg

  • Shereen Leech

    I am with the Utility Warehouse for everything and they are really good ! : they only advertise once every blue moon so everything bennefits back to us the consumer ; i am glad Ive had my chance to tell everyone this !

  • Margaret Carney

    I get a £120 pa rebate from Southern Electric regarding Warm Home discount from the Government.   New tariffs will have to beat that.   All the main suppliers seem to be running a cartel, i.e. they all agree on a fixed price.  They fleece the public and ensure that there is no benefit in changing suppliers.  I hope your campaign works.  Let us see.  Margaret Carney

  • Carl Holmes

     a
    clean renewable energy future would bring about more jobs , increase
    our energy security as we would be less reliant on foregin oil and gas,
    dramatically reduce our emissions helping fight global warming, and most
    importantly reduce our bills in long term, and so much more but we have
    to fight vested interests, big oil spend millions every year lobbying
    politicans like george osbourne keeping us hooked on fossil fuels we ned
    to ditch the big six fossil buddies and switch providers to ecotricty http://www.ecotricity.co.uk/, or set up our own community energy http://www.rivercottage.net/im...

  • Carl Holmes

     this article from greenpeace shows us that if we go along the path that this goverment wants us too were in for trouble
    we must demand a 100% clean renewable eenergy future ,no dash for gas

    Hot on the heels of Germany’s ambitious renewable
    energy plans, the Danish government went even further and announced last
    week that they plan to get half of their country’s total
    electricity requirement from renewable sources by 2020 and 100% of total
    energy, including electricity, heating, industry
    and transport, by 2050.

    Their ambitious plans will see a massive
    shift away from expensive and highly polluting fossil fuels to offshore wind
    and increased energy efficiency – the plans include reducing overall need for
    energy by 12% in 2020.

    In their announcement, the Danish
    government acknowledged that gas prices are set to soar in the coming years and
    that a shift to renewables would mean they are no longer tied to the volatile
    price of fossil fuels.  The UK’s
    energy regulator OFGEM has also highlighted gas as the primary cause of the
    massive energy price hikes consumers have suffered here in the UK.

    This announcement from Denmark comes just
    after Chancellor George Osborne announced in his budget speech that gas
    would “be
    the largest single source of our electricity in the coming years” –
    effectively pledging that the future of the UK’s energy supply will be
    even more reliant upon expensive,
    imported and highly polluting gas. Under Osborne’s plans, millions of
    households in Britain would be forced to ride the gas price rollercoaster, therefore
    facing decades of unstable bills and very likely further price hikes. And the
    Committee on Climate Change – the government’s independent advisers on how to
    stay within our national carbon budgets – warned yesterday this new ‘dash for
    gas’ could also risk us missing our climate targets.

    Ed Davey needs to stand up to gas company
    lobbyists so that our bills come down – and pollution levels do too.

  • Majeffery4

    On the TV programme Coast last week in Norway it was stated that the gas we receive from this country from a pipe under the sea will last for 40years.  If people think we can relie on renewables to run all the power, lights etc.,in this country I would be amazed.  Do people relise that if we cannot have gas only electricity all our gas boilers would need replacing.

  • Gargnanak

    BOILER MAiNTENANCE agreement with the British Gas: In the first year I paid their advertised price of £13 per month; today after 4 years they have increased it to £ 29.45 per month. 

    I feel like not to pay that sort of price, but I donot seem to have much choice.
    If I were to switch to others, Corgi for example, can I rely on them guaranteeing 365 days service?

    How can I make British Gas to reduce the price and stop increasing it at their WHIM.?

    Please help if possible.

    Thank you so much.

    nanak garg 

  • Robertgmam

    Every year, they put the price up on renewal and every year, I ring them up, tell them I wish to cancel the contract and they put me through to the “retention team”. I tell them I am cancelling the contract and, lo and behold, the price miraculaously reduces! I suggest you do the same.

  • Haroldwernerrubin

     I am a mid-80′s pensioner and I moved into a rented flat a year ago.  The previous tenant seemed to have vacated owing every service money.  It took 6 months to sort this out.  EDF had and has the electricity account from me.  I pay 2 direct debits monthly, one against the arrears and another for current use.  I just received a demand to increase the direct debit from £65. monthly to £96.  This in addition to £35. monthly to British Gas.  All this will total nearly £2000. for the first year.  I live alone – is this possible?  British Gas have been fairly reasonable, EDF has not.  And at the increased direct debit rates it will continue to be that amount annually.  I do not know of anyone who pays anything like this amount.

  • http://internationalpatentservice.com/how-to-get-a-patent.html HOW TO GET A PATENT

    We have gathered information on all the UK Energy companies – their
    background and contact details and have explained the different services
    they offer. All this is displayed in an easy to read and navigate
    format and can all be found here in one place.

  • Rachael

    I recently had pvs fitted and therefore will be needing a supplier that accommodates this, ie who have a FITS team. This was not mentioned in the survey. 

  • Ron Selby

    The questionair asks ‘What is your tariff present tariff called’ and lists a number of options to be clicked as appropriate.
    The tariffs I have at present with Southern Electric & Southern Electric Gas are not listed, and there is no option on the questionair to type in the name of present tariffs.    I thus had no option other than to click ‘Dont Know’ which in itself is a faulty statement.

    My bill lists Electricity as General Domestic & Gas as energyplus airmilesdual fuel General Domestic.

  • Adrian hunt

    2 things:
    1. I don’t quite get how you get a good result if you ask to either enter the Kwh or the amount paid, wouldnt it be better for you to know both?

    2. I filled out my form and then sent it, then I thought praps I do know what plan I was on so I found a more recent bill and noticed that it gave the Kwh for the past year and so I did it again with better information so I’ve done it twice, hope that’s OK

  • Hewittassoc

    [From memory]  I was asked to confirm that I had read an accepted the conditions.
    I have not even seen the conditions!

    If I had seen the conditions I wonder how long it would have taken me to read and UNDERSTAND the legal jargon that is generally used for such items.

    I hope this will be read by a REAL person! 

  • Annbrookes

    we could not enter the name of the tarriff

  • William McGeary

    I have Solar Panels will I be able to switch to whoever  for clean fuel payments 

  • Carl Holmes

      a
    clean renewable energy future would bring about more jobs , increase
    our energy security as we would be less reliant on foregin oil and gas,
    dramatically reduce our emissions helping fight global warming, and most
    importantly reduce our bills in long term, and so much more but we have
    to fight vested interests, big oil spend millions every year lobbying
    politicans like george osbourne keeping us hooked on fossil fuels we ned
    to ditch the big six fossil buddies and switch providers to ecotricty http://www.ecotricity.co.uk/, or set up our own community energy http://www.rivercottage.net/im...

  • Lindakasim1

    I have just had words with Hydro Electric, I get both my gas and electric from them and all they do is put up my bills.  They keep saying that they have written to me and this week is the first I have had from them in a long time.  They told me that I was using £14 more gas and them put my prices up £17 and when I told them I was a pensioner they put it back down again.  I have threatened to go to another supplies but whether that will help I do not know.  There should not be all these tarriffs only the cheapest

  • Lindakasim1

    They do that all the time.  I only once changed and was quoted a lower price a few months later they put up their bills and it has kept rising since.  They keep telling me that they told me on my last bill but I do not get bills from them as I do everything online.  I am a pensioner who has to support a daughter and her son as her hours at her job have been dramatically reduced from 32 to 10 one week and 18 another week so I have had to look for a job to help me pay all the bills and buy food as I am disabled and diabetic.  Not that makes any difference with the suppliers all they want to do in this country is rip you off and the biggest one to rip people off is the government

  • Anne Wood

    I couldn’t give details of my usage as my bills are on line and I couldn’t keep switching back and forth!

  • Carl Holmes

    switch to ecotricity

  • Keith Johnson

    will all suppliers be approached, even the likes of Cooperative Energy, who appear to have an ethical and green agenda?

  • James

    Hi, I’ve filled in all the requested info, but even though the online form asks about prepayment meters, it doesn’t ask about weekly payments. I therefore couldn’t fill it in fully as I have no idea what my yearly bill is, as I don’t get one – it’d be really beneficial if you could alter the form to include a section asking how much people with prepayment meters pay per week. That way you would have a clearer picture. Thanks

  • Johnsheen

    Hi , I’ve completed the questionaire but my current tariff with E-ON Isn’t listed and there was no line stating “other” tariff not highlighted. I’ve put my best guess but if you can replace my entry with “E-ON Staywarm” tariff this will give a more accurate picture for the negotiators.
                                                 Many Thanks J S  from Dewsbury.

  • Nigel

    Hi,

    My current deal with British Gas runs out at the end of April 2012 and so i will revert to the normal tariff unless I try and look to fix costs like I have before.  I am keen to take advantage of the negotiated deal you are looking to sort out, but similarly worried I might end up paying a huge amount for a while, whilst this is sorted out. 

    Any advice guys?

    Many thanks
    Nigel from Kent

  • Carl Holmes

     switch to ecotricity

  • Patrizia Sergeant

     Hi Becky, and everybody else from 38 Degrees

    Thank you so much
    for doing this. I have the greatest respect for you, taking such an
    initiative. At some point this will be a historic change in giving
    people back their power. You will be so
    proud by then to have
    contributed so massively to this.

    Kindest regards
    and support
    Patrizia

  • David Gregory

    Sorry to seem so clueless about our deal with Scottish Power. Splitting the gas and electricity so as to give you proper information proved to be well nigh impossible -one of the downsides of paperless billing!

  • sara richards

    I did know the name of my tarrif with npower . It’s ‘spreading the warmth’ tarrif but was unable to choose it in the drop down menu.. i was forced to select ‘don’t know’ as the only option… 

  • Yorkshire Lass

    I’ve heard that good energy and ecotricity won’t be playing.  There is no chance that I will sign up to EDF (mainly nuclear) if they “win.”

  • Mr r l davies

    iam with stay warm so not sure what im  oni pay £107 + per mth for 12 mths

  • Allandawson

    how will this help us??, we have everything with Utility Warehouse, gas electricity, phone and broadband!!!!

  • Carl Holmes

    we need  a renewables revelution  solar, wind, wave, tidal, waste to energy its clear we cant rely on the big six so we will have to take things into our own hands ethier by

    switching to ECOTRICTY http://www.ecotricity.co.uk/ invests in clean renewable energy both gas and electric,

    or set up your own community energy project http://www.rivercottage.net/images/phpThumb.php/q=100;815×220;zc=1;/var/images/Headers/energyshare_rc_header.jpg

    or http://www.abundancegeneration.com/ 

    With Abundance you can earn a regular cash return by investing in Renewable Energy Projects in the UK
    You choose where your money goes and £5 is all you need to get startedas for the NOW and other anti renewable crowd stop holding us back your a minority , investing in renewables will create 100,000s more jobs in the future, reduce our bills in the long term, help us meet emissions targets , bring us secure stable energy , and any surplus energy produced from wind for example will be used via super grid to other nearby countrys who need it so no wasted energy  come on people we need to speak up louder for renewables and for our future ,positive forward thinking 38 degrees we need a campaign  demanding this goverment invest in a 100% clean renewable energy future, ending all subsidys to fossil fuels oil, coal and gas,  reducing demand  by energy efficentcies and investing in better public transport , cleaner cars and other measures only this type of campaign will ultimatly reduce our bills for the long term not continuing subsidising dirty expensive  fossil fuelswho else agrees it seems to me to be a no brainer

  • Njws

    Why do you not want to know both Consumption and Cost of energies ? In my case over the year:- Electricity £756,  Gas £689.

  • Carl Holmes

     this switch campaign wont work and wont bring lasting reduction in our bills
    we have to all take things into our own hands now
    switch to ecotricty or work with your community and set up a energy project ditch the big six altogether that is what 38 degrees should bve campaigning for

  • Agnes

    Last year I had solar photovoltaic panels fitted to my roof. As yet I have not received any payment from my electricity provider,  but my main concern is if I move to another provider how can I be sure they will take me on.

  • ALAN

    Hi Nigel
    Did you get an answer. My contract runs out at end of May so will be in same boat.
    Regards
    Alan

  • sand dancer

    Are 38 degrees negotiating a time period for this tarrif to last for. It’s no good getting the best price if in a couple of months time they just put the price back up to their standard rate

  • Jennyrg

    Totally fed up – I’ve only just found the time and paperwork needed to fill in the Big Switch registration -
    didn’t think there was a deadline as none was mentioned in any of the emails or links.
    I now find registration closed on 31st March – info that I only found in links once I’d already registered. I totally support this action, but also really needed the information I would have got. Really upset to have missed the boat.

  • Paddy2

    I am on EON’s StayWarm too, like Mr Davies, and this is not listed. I note that it is one which falls outside this exercise being a ‘social’ tariff for certain groups. This would have been useful to know in advance.
     Also didn’t know there was a closing date of 31 March (like Jennyrg) . Finally filled in details yesterday ( after an email prompt) and have had standard acknowledgement.
    Am guessing that we should do our own research.

  • Carl Holmes

    this 38 degrees campaign  to collectively switch between the big six will fail

    we need to ditch the big six altogether and move to clean renewable provider ecotricity http://www.ecotricity.co.uk/  take a look for youself

    we need to ditch the big six and thats what 38 degrees should be campaigning for
    by the way ive found ecotricty scores better than them all on cutomer service and use of your bills good energy and co op are good but not as good as ecotricty as they have no sharholders and so can invest more in clean renewable energy solar, wind, wave, and clean gas

  • Verdunbreck

    My wife and I are both pensioners. our gas and electic bills are high. We don’t have any government discounts , and now they have reduced our winter payment by £50  or £100 as the case may be, I being a cynical person I am believe the government are after bumping the elderly of one way or another. As for the generating companies: it just one big family cartel!! They bought up the only independent suppliers soon after the gas and electric was deregulated.

  • Verdunbreck

    As for wind turbines. They are a blot on the landscape. The beautiful county of  Moray , whisky country, has been wrecked by these usless things. Most of the time they are stationary and you the customer are paying for the privilege, through the nose.  If they are that good at generation, then shut down the gas and coal generating stations for 24 hrs. I don/t thing you will be so keen then as y Each area would have to go without power for a few hours.ou will be like London after the war.

  • Jennyrg

    Finally managed to complete registration – thanks 38 degrees.
    However, I totally agree with Carl Holmes, and shall set Big Switch results against green options. Will definitely leave EDF on account of their nuclear affiliations – but I do hope the Big Switch results will include a ‘best’ green option as well as a simple lowest price.
    Nuclear emissions are devastating our health. It’s time we mobilised our people-power to reclaim our well-being from rapacious profiteers and governments which prioritise business interests over the viability of our planet to sustain life.

  • Carl Holmes

    we must tell goverment to commit us to a clean renewable energy future nov expensive and risky nuclear, or any dash for gas which is a fossil fuel and help reduce our ever increasing energy bills

    one of the demands of the campaign could be to end the huge subsidies given to big oil and other fossil fuels

    the next could be to revitalise the solar industry by commiting to fit solar panels on all public buildings and council houses (helping reduce bills)

    invest much more in all forms of renewables solar, wind, wave, tidal, biomass and energy efficentcies , creating the confidence  needed for investors to invest here by not moving the goal post in future

    set higher renewables target for 2020, and 2030

    break up the big six by bringing in more providers like ecotricty and good energy more competition

    stop energy providers hiking up bills of those customers who are long serving to reel in new customers with better deals

    the main point here is fossil fuels are dirty and expensive and the cost of extracting those fossil fuels is ever increasing so if we all want cheaper bills in the long term we must have a renewable energy future one that is driven by communities and not by profiteers and goverment

  • Tim

    I have missed out on this registration, will there be anymore opportunities to join.

  • Brian Whitehouse

    I have signed up for this but is there any further news yet as my contract with BG is about to expire and i will be looking to switch in the very near future.

  • Jen Williams

    Switch to Ecotricity anyway. I did a year ago, and it’s really easy. I’m a Yorkshire lass, too, by the way.

  • Jen Williams

    Switch to Ecotricity. If you can use a computer you can switch suppliers. It’s easy.

  • Ponytail

    hi have just signed up for this but I’m in dispute with npower with repayment of over £550 that I’m in credit will me switching afect this ???????????? 

  • David Jackson13

    Wind turbines are an expensive waste of money! They do not do what the Gov. says they do. Look to HOLLAND – the land of windmills(!) They are going away from wind turbines because they do not work! Lets invest in clean, carbon capture coal fired plants in the short term (we have 300+ years of coal under this country), and in the longer term develop nuclear fusion.
    We can do this!

  • Carl Holmes

     yeah and watch our bills rise even further

    look nuclear is uneconomical the costs are massive something like 7 billion a year and thats not including dealing with the waste take a look http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/blog/2012/may/04/expense-nuclear-power-energy-coalition

    ccs isnt even past small scale stage

    its clean renewable energy and energy efficency that the goverment needs to be prioritising now and in the future its a no brainer

  • Howard Bills

    Never mind the negativity, good luck with the plan 38 degrees. 

    A quarter of a million people all ready to switch is big business for at least one service provider. Trust me, none of the suppliers like it and are dreading the possibility of the scheme’s success and that it might get even bigger! Let’s go for half a million people all ready to switch and then see what British Gas has to say!!!The bigger they are the more powerful they become and that applies to the end user as well.We need to stop thinking of reasons of why not to bother, sign up and send a fiver to 38 degrees. Things won’t change unless we actually make them by doing something about it.Come on people, let’s go for it.

  • Ron Selby

    Well said Howard ,  I agree with every word .

    Ron Selby

  • Guy

    Surely there is an update more recent than the one 7 February on this?
    What is going on?
    What is the currently expected timescale for this?
    I could be looking for a cheaper tariff on my own, but don’t want to tie into something else if this is still a viable campaign.

  • Numbani

    Oh no no no windpower DOES work and nuclear fusion is an obscenity we will leave for our children. Why are some people so insensitive that they don’t care for the legacy we leave to the next generation. Cut your consumption. We all use too much!!! Stop knocking windmills as the government do. What is this crap about windmills why do the sheep people jump on the band wagon??? Help we need some sense and people who use their brains or we may as we just gjve up

  • Nick

    I’ve just signed up (5th May) so I don’t know why some people are saying that they have missed the boat.

    But I think that those of us who are committed to long-term price-fixed deals need to have a bit more advice on whether we should ‘jump ship’. What’s to stop a company offering a great deal this year, only to significantly raise their prices once they have won the custom?

  • Jo Collinson

    Why have I been asked to fill in my details twice?

  • Alanrchapman

    I can’t find my tariff plan called EDF 20:20. Does this matter?

  • R Atkin

    I have switched supplier at least twice, finishing with a fixed tariff which has just been extended by 3 months and the annual cost (dual fuel. paperless billing online) by £200.   I tried EON and EDF, but their administration, in both cases was so poor I fled back to Scottish Power, my final choice.  They also do a competitive boiler service contract–used once, but efficient, and turns up when it says it will. I have been pro-active, using comparison sites as a base.  Not all elderly people are like me, more’s the pity, for their utility bills. 

  • Liz

    In getting together the data to fill in the form I found that my standing order payment had suddenly been reduced and that the sum I am in credit (through paying too much) has risen to over £500. Don’t know if I can get it back though it would be very handy.

  • Tim

    Hi Nick

    The reason people are saying that they have missed the boat is because the information above states the registration closing date of 31st March.

  • Chris

    Despite having all e-mails re my EDF account (including bills
    etc.) – there is no reference anywhere to the name of the tariff that I am on –
    this seems to be common practice with most energy suppliers (I was previously
    billed by British Gas) – I find this extremely unhelpful when looking for
    (cheaper) alternatives.

  • Peddling Pete

    Why no Warm Assist tariff shown on the E-on list?

  • Aubrey435

    Cant wait to find out how much I’m going to save.

    I note that all the preferences eg. paperless billing, dual fuel etc. are on the table so it looks to me that the Utility Co’s are likely to be saying yup we’ll give you a cheaper price but on our terms. 

  • Aubrey435

    No expert on the wind power but vertical-axis units have advantages and are not mentioned by the media. Nuclear option is for eugenicists have you heard
    the latest Fukishima news? I’m guessing our Nuclear Lobby wouldn’t want that in the media either.

  • Ben

    Fusion and fission are different things. Fusion clean, fission not so clean.  Please look up your nuclear terms beforehand.

  • Ben

    Let’s heavily invest in Nuclear power, Thorium reactors are available now, they’re safe, with very little waste.  China and India have seen the light let’s do the same.  Our current generation were made to produce Nuclear weapons and energy.  Thorium reactors you can’t make Nuclear weapons from.

  • Mary

    My tariff – which is Essentials from British Gas wasn’t shown …why was this?

  • Caroline

    Not sure if I have missed an email but do we have any idea when we will recieve details of the tariff we may get, or should I just go ahead and change anyway?  I thought we would find out by the beginning of May.

  • POSTMASTER
  • Mytribe

    You promised to help everyone save on their gas and electricity bills, but I should have known that people like me would be left out in the cold. Because I choose not to get into debt by paying monthly knowing I can’t afford it, I choose to go prepayment, and what is your help ZILCH NOTHING, SO THANKS VERY MUCH.

  • Ali190674

    I signed up to this idea pre-March 31st - but you have sent me nothing! My mother has received all the documentation from you with the proposed new tariffs etc, but I’ve had nothing – please can you explain WHY I’ve been missed out? (You don’t seem to have any way of contacting you directly about this?) Thanks.

  • Nick

    Well my current tariff is over-estimated (in the my Switch account) by nearly 300% so the stated saving of £127/year is probably closer to £40. And I don’t know how much that price will be increased over the next two years so I am staying with my current supplier as I am on a fixed tariff till 2014..

  • Barry

    I have received any details about the switch?  I see this is a common problem.  Have you forgotten a whole bunch of us?  Why?

  • Barry

    Meant to say “have not”

  • Ali190674

    Barry – I’m in the same position – see my comment below – I’ve been ignoring all these offers I get from ’YouSwitch.com’ as I was waiting for this to come through! I don’t know if anybody actually monitors this message board though so we may just be talking to the air – I searched around & eventually found an e-mail address for 38 Degrees; it’s in ‘Contact us’ right at bottom of page (think there may even be a phone number). 

  • Kt

    I am dismayed, the energy companies have sent a big up yours to the paying population and whats left is no use to any of us. I have to say the energy companies have the power to pay  anybody off ! 

  • Martharron

    So The Big Switch recommended switching to Co-operative Energy, but they spend 0.0p per £ on developing sources of renewable green energy – worst in the UK according to this table: 
    http://www.whichgreen.org/energy-supplier-rating
    so I switched to ecotricity, which won’t cost me any more and spends 75p per £ on green energy.

  • D Martyn

    I haven’t received any email yet from the Coop, but I have checked their published tariffs on their website (don’t know if 38 Deg has arranged an even better deal or not) and based on my EBICO bill that arrived last week, I could save £40 for the winter quarter alone. When I changed from Northern to EDF, I saved; EDF to EBICO I saved, now EBICO to Coop will save. That to me is proof we are being shafted big time.

    BTW what is the point of ecotricity if they only promise a price match with the big 6?

  • Graham Walker

    how about doing the same with the banks to get better interest rates, rather than it all going the fat cats

  • Sue

    Have only  received an email from THE HUGE SWITCH which appears to have nothing to do with 38 Degrees, Which or the Co-op, and requests I put in all my details again. Assume they are competitors?

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  • AUDREY PACKARD

    LIKE THIS IDEA – SORRY i WAS TOO LATE TO SIGN UP.wONDER WHAT WAS THE FINAL OUTCOME.

  • David Rushbrooke

    I have not yet received my email with the details of an alternatice supplier. The last email I received was in April after I signed up, since then, nothing

  • Gargnanak

    No progress has been made in my case since I was assured by the Which? that I shall be hearing soon from the new suppliers.
     
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