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YouGov Poll: 71% of NHS staff surveyed think Lansley doing bad job

January 30th, 2012 by

38 Degrees teamed up with YouGov to find out what NHS workers think of Andrew Lansley’s plans for the NHS.

The results are in the infographic below – and they’re pretty shocking.

Once you’ve looked at the infographic please spread the word by Facebook or Twitter.

You can also join the campaign to protect the NHS here.

Poll details: All figures, unless otherwise stated, are from YouGov Plc. Total sample size was 1,601 adults. Fieldwork was undertaken between 17th – 26th January 2012. The survey was carried out online. Full results available as a Google Doc here.

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  • Robin Winslow

    Was it really necessary to have all those graphics? It rather makes the data look biased. Why not just present the figures as they are, without decoration?

  • Jan

    Could you repost this on your Facebook page please. Thank you.

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    KEEP OUR NHS PUBLIC; Please support the Official Demo Against the Bill;

    2.30-830 Old Palace Yard, Opposite the Lords on the 8th of February – the day the Bill is predicted to reach report stage. Bring banners and placards and advise everyone you know. Together we can beat the Bill.

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  • Lucy N

    Good to hear there will be a demonstration at long last.

  • Jan

    I don’t know how many members actually look at these pages, but with only 4 comments, I would guess not many. Could you please repost this on 38 Degrees facebook page where there is fairly constant traffic. Thanks.

    http://www.facebook.com/peoplepowerchange

    I’m hoping that you know about the “Drop the Bill” epetition – if not could you please sign & circulate to as many as you can.

    http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/22670

  • Anonymous

    This is interesting but where has it been publicised?

  • http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tomchiversscience/100134154/lansleys-nhs-bill-is-unnecessary-incomprehensible-and-possibly-illegal-other-than-that-its-great/ Lansley’s NHS bill is unnecessary, incomprehensible and possibly illegal. Other than that it’s great – Telegraph Blogs

    [...] of General Practitioners survey, recently, found that 90 per cent of GPs opposed the changes; an independent poll of NHS staff found 71 per cent against; the British Medical Journal, Health Service Journal, and Nursing Times published a joint editorial [...]

  • dodgydosser

    I have to add my voice to praise 38 degrees for a fantastic piece of work!  I love the graphics.  Keep up the pressure guys!  Oh yeah and make sure you all come on the demo on 8th opposite the house of lords 2:30 to 8:30

  • Sarah, Yorkshire

    When I voted in the BMJ poll yesterday, about 950 had voted, and 93% thougtht the bill should be withdrawn! (maybe this online poll is more biased than yours though)

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mark-Bishop/728891908 Mark Bishop

    kill the bill .torys out ….they have zero zero zero mandate ..bloody disgrace ..torys out

  • Schopkins

    Frankly I just think that both health and education are too much of a political football. What you think about Lansley’s reforms is likely to be a reflection of your voting preferences. All I wish is that the NHS could be more efficiently managed by people who are more clued up about what they are doing. How that can be done I think the government should establish a cross discipline enquiry to investigate how the NHS is currently functioning and how it could be improved.

  • D Holby

    sadly the NHS staff do not seem to want to get rid of the waste or modernise the NHS. You have to ask the question ” Are the NHS staff just looking at what is in it for them? How much extra can be taken in the way of benifets without giving any more ?
    Are the staff out for themselves? and other such questions, as no matter what is suggested to reduce costs and streamline the NHS, it sems the unions think it is bad for the NHS, or is it just bad for their members?  Come on get in the real world…….

  • David

     As opposed to the private healthcare companies poised to become involved? Look at their track record in America- do you think that they put patients before profits? We’ve been told about ‘the real world’ before every privatization, that costs will come down and drive up efficiency. The rail networks and utility companies show this to be an ideological, Utopian dream. The NHS is already very efficient and does not require a radical overhaul. If the Government wanted to push these reforms through they should have informed the electorate at the General Election. They didn’t because they know that no one, other than those who stand to gain financially or who unquestioningly support their political ‘team’, wants them.

  • D Holby

    ah yes the usual howls of torry’s out, kill the bill – but these people do not seem to realise that reforms to to the NHD have to be made, as the last party to run the country, nealry bankrupted the coutry, remember the note left about that they had spent all the money.  Every sane person can see that the throwing of unlimitd money by the last gov’t just led to more waste more managers and people feathering their nests, rather than going to the front line.  Yes you can see the party lines coming out, spend, spend spend into their own pockets rather than sort out the problems in the NHS these people do not come up with  workable alternative, they just knock down what is proposed but do |NOT come up with a workable alternative.

  • David

    Sigh. Our government spends less as a percentage of GDP than America, which fails to cover tens of millions of citizens, and France, which has a mixture of public and private provision:

    http://www.commonwealthfund.org/~/media/Files/Publications/Issue%20Brief/2011/Jul/1532_Squires_US_hlt_sys_comparison_12_nations_intl_brief_v2.pdf

    So your argument that the NHS has money thrown at it will not be addressed by the marketization of healthcare. With the ability to cream off profits from the NHS, plenty of people in private healthcare companies will be ‘feathering their nests’. Furthermore, GPs stand to gain substantially from the Bill by controlling the NHS budget, so why (if they are purely motivated by financial self-interest) are they opposing this legislation?

    If these reforms HAVE to be made, then why did David Cameron hide Lansley’s plans behind a promise of no more top-down reorganizations of the NHS at the 2010 election? A promise repeated in ‘The Coalition: Our Programme for Government’: ‘We will stop the top-down reorganisations of the NHS that have got in the way of patient care’ (p. 24). This is included next to the promise of: ‘We will guarantee that health spending increases in real terms in each year of the Parliament, while recognising the impact this decision will have on other departments’:

    http://www.direct.gov.uk/prod_consum_dg/groups/dg_digitalassets/@dg/@en/documents/digitalasset/dg_187876.pdf

    The Government promised to increase spending, but have asked for £20 billion in ‘efficiency savings’ over this Parliament. This Bill will not reduce costs, will not provide equal cover and is not a workable alternative to the existing model. At a time of such fiscal constraint, the billions that this reorganization will cost and the massive confusion it will generate are not acceptable.

    Rather than dismiss my concerns, please provide concrete evidence that the Bill will improve the quality of care for all patients, reduce bureaucracy and overall costs and make the NHS sustainable as a free health service for all people in the UK. If there is a country that spends less on healthcare as a percentage of GDP and delivers the same coverage through a marketized system then please provide details, as this will go a long way to alleviating the concerns expressed by 38 Degrees members and the medical professions.

  • no middle class no economy

    This has nothing to do with saving money – it is about giving public money to Government supported monopolies which, in turn, make financial donations to the Conservative party. 
    Read the following extract from Wikipedia: Andrew Lansley   
    Conflict of interest:  
    While in opposition as health spokesman, Andrew Lansley accepted a donation of £21,000 from John Nash, the chairman ofprivate healthcare provider Care UK and founder of the private equity fund Sovereign Capital, which owns several other private healthcare companies, to help fund his private office, leading to allegations of a conflict of interest. Such companies stand to be the biggest beneficiaries of Conservative policies to increase the use of private health providers within the NHS.

  • Lucy N

    You don’t seem to know anything about the NHS, it’s staff or patients.  If you are that cynical about this way of managing healthcare, have you ever had a chronic condition that lasts more than 3 days, known someone with a terminal illness, a child with severe impairment resulting in multiple needs, someone with injuries that require many specialists.

    No, the staff are not out for themselves – and no, the unions and organisations opposed to this ill are not out for themselves. They want to protect the future of the NHS all of us have an even playing field as far as is possible for being treated.

    I am completely disgusted by your post.

  • Lucy Neville

    Where on earth did you spring from?

    We are not a bankrupt country. That’s simply absurd.

    And haven’t you heard of McKinsey? It’s that money making machine in the guise of a healthcare provider that has been advising the government on how to funnel more money their way.

    Despite your utterly negative contribution to 38 degrees, if you ever become seriously ill I sincerely hope the NHS still exists in a form that enables you to have the treatment you need.

  • Dave C

     Dear D Holby
    It would be easier to understand what you are trying to say if each sentance was coherent. Let us just for one moment agree to two facts.
    1. The present NHS budget is about £106 billion.
    2. The last government had to bail out the banks which cost in the order of £136 billion.
    (These facts can be checked on the internet)
    The latter was more costly to the country than the whole of the NHS budget for the year, but it needed to be done and I am sure that you agree.
    Now let me see, who do you think ‘bankrupted’ us?

  • frances2012

    I do appreciate the fact that 38 degrees are addressing this issue.   However, I would be happier if NHS staff would contribute to the discussion in terms of ‘how can we improve’ rather than opposing changes which may not only benefit themselves but also patients.  As a family we have suffered dreadfully from bad management/service in the NHS – including 3 avoidable deaths and one near death, only avoided by strong representation from the family.  Having said that, we have also eperienced good results from NHS treatment, for which we are grateful.    Cameron’s bill may not be the answer but at least let’s have a positive, all-encompassing debate regarding this vital service and not base it on party political issues – that way lies disaster. 

  • Larrainesumner

    A poll of purely NHS staff only gives a one-sided slant on opinion.  Change is very much needed.

  • JOAN HARROP

    MR CAMNAM PLEASE LEAVE THE NHS ALONE AS IT IS GOING TO MAKE THINGS A LOT WORSE JUST STOP PLEASE

  • Denise Raye

    Tories reply to everything…..the last party!

  • Curious

    Along with many others, I’m getting a little tired of hearing various members of this government (and their supporters) constantly blaming/rankling the previous Labour collective for creating the climate in which they now have to operate!
    Is it not high time to put their petty squabbles aside, move on and prove to the people of this country that things are now changing for the good of us all and not just various little pockets of society?
    Mr Cameron and Co. have had nearly 2 years in which to make a difference and get things on the right course.
    This bill appears to be yet another total disaster in a catologue of self serving moves this government is making. He obviously has his own doubts about whether it’s a wise move simply by shutting out anyone who opposes it! Unless he really is as arrogant as I suspect.
    Just to set the record straight, I have no particular political leanings toward any party, my interests simply lie in whoever wants to take on the role for the good of the country and its people. Any government’s foremost priority is to protect and serve it’s populace, when they fail to do that, it’s a major fail, leaving them with nowhere else to go!
    Let us not kid ourselves, the tories have ALWAYS wanted to privatise the NHS, they have no desire to fund anything! This bill is the beginning, where will it end?
    When are these politicians finally going to realise that it is in fact our money (and health/welfare), they are casually playing around with.
    We live in a democracy so please forgive me if I’m wrong but do we not have the luxury of a majority vote setting precedence over anything else. If the overwhelming slant is against this bill going through, then the only right and proper decision to make, is to scrap it, then take another look!
    Admittedly the NHS does need a major overall, mainly due to the amount of money being habitually squandered. However, in view of the controversy revolving around this questionable, (and seemingly) one sided bill, I’m very suspicious with regard to this government’s intent.
    Someone said earlier that this bill may not be the right course to take? Without doubt that is the true concensus of nationwide opinion so why is Mr Cameron so adamant to push/force it through?
    Does he not think from time to time he could actually be wrong? .

  • Lucy N

     I do not work for the NHS. I do not want this rubbishy unnecessary bil;

     No-one says that organisations such as NHS should never change  and staff need to be pulled up for uncaring attitudes- but this bill is to do with scrapping universal public provision paid for and accountable to the public. don’t your yourself it about anything else

    If this is something that doesn’t bother you then fine – you’ll be pleased to hear that people like me are fighting to protect this service so you may use it when you need it – and preventing our money being trousered by huge commercial providers who couldn’t give a stuff about your well being.

    Believe me private health providers will nice, horrible competent and incompetent staff – but how would you ever know??

  • Lucy N

     Sorry to hear of your personal experiences being apparently so bad.

     But this bill is not about the individual treatment of a patient. This bill is not about outcomes, kindness, compassion or competency – this is about carving up the NHS so that private companies will take over our health system and trouser tax-payers money. This will not ensure compassion and ability from the staff left to pick up the mess.

    Please, don’t believe the PR-speak being used to deflect attention from the main purpose of the bill.

    And ALL this is political.

  • Laura James

    So instead of ‘squandering’ money within the NHS it will now be making huge profits for private companies? We the tax payers are paying of course. Just need to look at Emma Forbes and her £8.6m she’s taken from the tax payer.

  • Derwoo

    In spite of what the Government says to the contrary, private medical companies WILL cherry pick the aspects of health care from which they can make the most money for the least investment. That’s how business works, and that’s why our health care is too important to place in their hands. Also, look at the examples which have come to light recently, regarding private companies and medical provision: the PIP breast implants,which are going to have to be removed by the NHS, so at our expense. The more recent disclosure that private abortion clinics(funded wholly by us), have been carrying out abortions for no better reason than that the expected baby will be a girl, or even that the projected birth date coincides with a planned holiday!
    Existing private health providers like BUPA are, paradoxically, only interested in taking money from healthy people. If an existing BUPA member turns out to have a chronic condition which will need prolonged and repetitive sessions of care, they are very quickly shunted over to the NHS. If we’re not careful, the NHS will only exist to care for the really ill people who the private companies deem too expensive to treat. 

    Health care is not, and never should be, a business. 

  • Rupert Irving

    Well the data says it all really. When will governments learn that running public institutions such as the NHS is not a good idea.Neither is introducing system after sytem every few years.It only serves to make politicians happy that they left their mark whilst confusing staff at ground level and therefor slowing the whole organisation down.
    If this many people within the NHS appose it (and they should know) then perhaps politicians should listen to them.

  • June Dear

    I think the nhs does need change, we cannot organise these bully type schemes to whip people into following the masses!
    The nhs cannot keep on as it is, we are all living longer, receiving expensive treatments and the whole system is open to abuse, non payment of medical fees which is owed by people that are not entitled to use our nhs system.
    We need to tighten up, not being seen as a easy touch Great Britian, some hard decisions have to be made, which people will not like, but we cannot go on as we are…..
    Rather than just saying no to alternatives, and not suggesting anything new is not productive…..

  • Pauluk1234

    Hidden agenda Dave he tried the same thing with the forestry commision but if he does not get a bill through watch the back door

  • Cherryaitken

    Why are we ignoring the fact that our NHS is the most efficient in the world? Those calling for change should consider ways of improving what we have, not destroying it. Surely we can reduce beaurocracy some other way.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001367948117 Mal Evans

     And Andrew Lansley has come up with a workable alternative?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001367948117 Mal Evans

    These reforms are purely and simply ideological. We are being shafted by Tory adherents to the tenets of the Chicago School of economics. The aim is to reduce, in the short term, the NHS to an Obama type fudge of mandatory health insurance with very basic health care provided by the state to those on low wages and in receipt of benefit. The long term aim will be to institute reforms to bring us to the point where the US was before Obama’s health reforms, full commercialisation of healthcare.
    The other thing which people don’t seem to notice is that our educational system is being privatised too, again aping US policy as advocated by St Milton Friedman, remember him? I’m afraid that the ghost (oh, I wish) of Margaret Thatcher is stalking the corridors of power, still. Cameron seems hell bent on being more monetarist than even she dared to be.
    If we allow this bill to be enacted, the next casualty, the next privatisation, will be social security and unemployment benefit and how sick would that be?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001367948117 Mal Evans

    What the NHS needs is devolution. The government should set up an apolitical body to run it with funding from taxation (a guaranteed %age of GDP, perhaps).
    It should be at least as independent as the Old Lady of Threadneedle Street and that independence should be constitutionally guaranteed. They can do it with something as inessential (however desirable) as the BBC so they should do it with such an essential service as healthcare.