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Dominic Raab: Is 2 e-mails a day too much?

August 10th, 2010 by

Dominic Raab MPs website

A lot has been said over the last 24 hours about Dominic Raab MP’s attempt to stop his constituents contact him by e-mail. A few very important things have in some cases been mostly overlooked:

1. Since the election Mr Raab has received on average less than 2 e-mails a day from constituents using the 38 Degrees website. As any of us who have an e-mail address know, this is not a lot of e-mails. As an MP who is paid with taxpayers money to maintain an office and staff to serve his constituents, this shouldn’t be too much for Mr Raab to handle

2. Not only did Dominic Raab MP threaten 38 Degrees in an attempt to get us to stop his constituents contacting him about issues they care about. He also made the House of Commons remove his e-mail address from their website.

3. The messages Raab received aren’t spam. Mr Raab has received on average less than 2 e-mails a day from his constituents about issues his constituents care about. Anyone saying otherwise doesn’t understand what spam is. If one person triggers an email to another by personally going and pressing a button, this is not spam. Spam would be emailing a target over and over again without any human intervention.

4. The messages to Mr Raab aren’t automated clones as he’s claimed. We do provide a suggested text but strongly encourage people to personalise the text.

Since I blogged yesterday we’ve been inundated with supportive messages from our members across the country appalled at Mr Raab’s behaviour. Here are a few of them:

Alan Thomas

“Mr. Rabb sounds an arrogant, smug egomaniac, having listened to the broadcast. An MP who wishes to dictate the terms of engagement and erect barriers to constituents contacting him. He obects to a standard form letter? Shame, get over it. Regardless of whether the letter is a “boilerplate” or not, the fact that it has enabled his constituents to more easily register their concern over a particular subject would be welcomed by any true advocate of democracy and political engagement.”

A few political blogs have sympathised with the MP accusing 38 Degrees of “Spamming Dominic Raab”. Here’s how a member, Mark Collins responds:

“He would have a point if one person was generating the emails – but each email he gets represents one voter in his constituency that wants him to do something about the issue in hand!”

Another member, Mark Williamson got in touch saying

“Well done, thanks for putting our point across. When discussing this with people it’s worth making 100% clear that only local constituents and still have to explicitly send the e-mail. Dominic Raab is trying to present this as an automated system run by a lobbying group.

There are no mailing lists involved and it’s only automated in that it makes it easy to send a mail to your MP with some suggested text.

Out of this issue though, maybe we should take (as per some comments on the 38 degrees blog) the chance to reconsider how e-mail campaigns are handled so as to make processing the information easier. Raab is still in the wrong in my opinion but 38 Degrees should still strive to make information easier for MPs to digest – just not to ignore.”

and to conclude Stall Pearson commented saying

“Just listened on iplayer – Mr Raab really does not come across well. It is down to his constituents to decide how they would like to communicate with him. He doesn’t seem to have thought through what it would be like to be an MP before standing for election. He displays a level of arrogance that demonstrates he clearly does not understand the people he is trying to represent. It can be quite intimidating for people (myself included) to try to compose a letter to an MP as they represent a position of respect and authority. Being able to articulate yourself well is not something that comes naturally to everyone (we didn’t all go to Eaton). “Suggested texts” can help to overcome some of these barriers not because the thinking is taken out of the process but because the barriers to opening a dialogue are removed. Mr Raab seems to be suggesting that his malicious constituents are trying to cause him a problem by spamming him as much as possible about any issue regardless of how important it is to them. This is not my experience of people who use these mechanisms to engage with their MPs at all. I have never come across anyone who has sent communications on issues that are not important to them personally. I have certainly never spoken to anyone who has suggested that they have spammed their MP for a bit of fun or to cause a nuisance.”.

What happens now? Yesterday we launched a local poll of our members asking them what we should do next. That poll will conclude later this week. When it does we’ll update the blog with the results.

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  • Bee

    I emailed Dominic Raab yesterday, as one of his constituents, to indicate my strong disagreement with his stance on 38 degrees. Earlier today I received what I can only imagine is a 'cut and paste' response saying 'I don't want lobby groups bombarding me with clone emails' which indicates that he is still confused about the exact nature of constituent initiated emails derived from 38 degrees. He has also had his email removed from, ironically enough, http://www.theyworkforyou.com .

    To be fair though, he has now reinstated his email address on his own website, as many including myself had requested. However, I still find it arrogant that his constituents can only contact him on his own terms, not their own using perfectly legitimate and enabling websites like your own.

    Well done for making a stand.
    Bee

  • http://twitter.com/boggits james blessing

    Well, how about the public really decide to show Mr Raab the error of his ways, he's objecting to 2 emails per day (obviously on average) so why don't his constituents all log on to somewhere like http://www.l-mail.com/ or http://snailmailr.com/ (chosen at random as the first results in google) and send the nice man a letter telling him what you think of him…. (or you could dig out a pencil and paper and do it by hand the old fashioned way) or maybe 38 degrees could print the letters out and deliver them by hand to the HoC…

    I'm sure there are hundreds of websites that send you could use to send the nice Mr Raab things in the post (again google suggested – http://www.magicfreebiesuk.co.uk/index.php) but why stop there http://improbable.com/airchives/paperair/volume…

    (some of the actions above *may* get you into trouble, and I'm not affiliated with any of the sites in any way)

  • http://twitter.com/boggits james blessing

    Well, how about the public really decide to show Mr Raab the error of his ways, he's objecting to 2 emails per day (obviously on average) so why don't his constituents all log on to somewhere like http://www.l-mail.com/ or http://snailmailr.com/ (chosen at random as the first results in google) and send the nice man a letter telling him what you think of him…. (or you could dig out a pencil and paper and do it by hand the old fashioned way) or maybe 38 degrees could print the letters out and deliver them by hand to the HoC…

    I'm sure there are hundreds of websites that send you could use to send the nice Mr Raab things in the post (again google suggested – http://www.magicfreebiesuk.co.uk/index.php) but why stop there http://improbable.com/airchives/paperair/volume…

    (some of the actions above *may* get you into trouble, and I'm not affiliated with any of the sites in any way)

  • Tony Fielding-Raby

    To my comment on Facebook yesterday I cna only add: 'and he's also a knob',

  • JoanTwelves

    Be careful not to get sidetracked by this Tory prat. You're absolutely in the right and he made an idiot of himself on PM yesterday, but your other campaigns are more important.

  • johnnychatterton

    Thanks Bee.

  • Nick Gall

    I will email him every day and aski him why his constituents shouldn't be allowed to contact him, until I get a satisfactory answer. What a prat

  • Guest

    As others have, I'm sure, I've just email the House of Commons Information Officer via http://www.parliament.uk/site-information/conta… to ask:
    Re: Mr Dominic Raab MP
    “Why has his email address been removed from your website? Is this common practice? Please indicate which other MP's have removed their email address from your website, or is my MP the only one?
    Thank you.”

  • http://liberalconspiracy.org/2010/08/10/revealed-tory-mp-complaining-of-emails-only-got-two-a-day/ Revealed: Complaining Tory got 2 emails a day | Liberal Conspiracy

    [...] campaign group 38 Degrees today revealed: Since the election Mr Raab has received on average less than 2 e-mails a day from constituents [...]

  • Bee

    I have submitted a Freedom of Information request to the House of Commons for email addresses of all current MPs. They tell me they will reply by Sept 7th. So hopefully then we will know who the culprits are :)

  • Pauline

    Mr Raab's stance has already backfired. Good. I work for a charity and it is common for us to encourage well-wishers to support our campaigns by sending one of our pre-printed cards highlighting the issue in question. The supporter simply tells us their address and we do the rest.

    I am not a Tory, but I have a Conservative MP who is actually very good at replying to these messages, even though they are clearly externally generated. During the discussions about the possibility of a coalition, he was on Radio 4 saying that PR couldn't form part of the discussions as MPs in the House of Commons wouldn't support it. I emailed him, questioning this attitude and got a relatively prompt and very full reply.

    So kudos to the MPs, of whatever political persuasion, who understand the need to respond to their constituents, and brickbats to the arrogant so-and-sos who just don't get it.

  • rakiru

    So he doesn't want his constituents to send him a few measly emails that are mainly all the same copy-paste emails, but he is perfectly happy to reply to fully personally written emails sent completely unrelated to this website with his own copy-paste emails?
    Oh well, I guess it's the fault of the people of Esher and Walton for voting in a Tory MP. They're the worst for copy-paste replies and as far as I've seen, don't care that much about individuals in their constituency.

  • little dom

    He has already published his email address anyway, here http://w4mp.org/html/personnel/jobs/disp_job.as…, therefore it is already in the public domain and his arguement is well, useless.

  • JBK5

    Thanx. I'll use that. Have my own extra agenda I like to bring to all insundry. Another e-mail address is so useful. Only one way to get rid of a pain in the arse. and that is to move your blooming arse.

  • Charles

    Mr Raab is clearly in the wrong, and looks a bit of an idiot. However, I would say that it does not vindicate the campaigning methods and strategy of '38 degrees'. I think the fact that you have made such a big noise about this little argument portrays your organisation's clear motives: to be anti-Tory.

    The basic premise of this website is brilliant – but why not allow campaigns from accross the political spectrum to be submitted and then people can use this website to lobby their MP on any issue. At the moment the only campaigns which seem to exist are clearly influenced by the ex-employers of your staff (i.e. FOE and Demos).

  • http://www.facebook.com/kester.ratcliff Kester Ratcliff

    Where's the poll? Please add a link.

  • johnnychatterton

    Hi Kester, do you live in the constituency? If so we e-mailed it to you on Monday.

  • Anthonypattison

    I was very interested to hear what has been said about Mr Raab's attitude to all this as I had problems finding his email address when I wanted to contact him in June – sent email to HOC and they sent it to me. I emailed him as my local MP in June and July and finally a combined response to both emails arrived August. Response was a predictable waste of time and personally I wouldn't waste another mouse-click on him, never mind a stamp! I'm glad to see you are pursuing this matter but I have no doubt it will be futile. Surely none of us are surprised MP's really don't care what constituents think when they have just been elected? They are only interested when there job is on the line – trouble is, in Esher/Walton a Zombie would be elected if it wore a blue ribbon. Mr Raab does however seem to be a front runner in alienating his constituents asap. Even some very ardent Tories I know have been very put-out by his early performance so I look forward to watch him dig a bigger and bigger hole for himself. He might have been parachuted into a fantastically safe seat (but he is a very experienced International Lawyer, Diplomat etc. etc. at 36 yrs old!) – still, you can bet they'll but they'll get rid of him just as quick if he becomes a problem!

  • Get a new government NOW

    For many of us emailing is the easiest way of communicating as it is faster ,cheaper and guaranteed to arrive. If Mr Raab doesn't want his conststuents to contact him in this manner —— TOUGH. Perhaps he ought to consider resignation _______ with immediate effect !!!!!!!!!!!

  • Get a new government NOW

    For many of us emailing is the easiest way of communicating as it is faster ,cheaper and guaranteed to arrive. If Mr Raab doesn't want his conststuents to contact him in this manner —— TOUGH. Perhaps he ought to consider resignation _______ with immediate effect !!!!!!!!!!!