Comments on: 20,684 of us demand a proper debate on the Digital Economy Bill http://blog.38degrees.org.uk/2010/04/06/20684-of-us-demand-a-proper-debate-on-the-digital-economy-bill/ 38 Degrees brings you together with other people to take action on the issues that matter to you and bring about real change. Wed, 08 Feb 2012 15:56:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: 10 Types Of People » Blog Archive » Reply from Jim Murphy Re: #DEBill http://blog.38degrees.org.uk/2010/04/06/20684-of-us-demand-a-proper-debate-on-the-digital-economy-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-1473 10 Types Of People » Blog Archive » Reply from Jim Murphy Re: #DEBill Fri, 16 Apr 2010 13:11:24 +0000 http://blog.38degrees.org.uk/?p=780#comment-1473 [...] actually attending the debate), which Jim Murphy himself didn’t even turn up or vote on it, over 20000 people who wrote to their MPs were effectively ignored and people asking important things in the debate [...] [...] actually attending the debate), which Jim Murphy himself didn’t even turn up or vote on it, over 20000 people who wrote to their MPs were effectively ignored and people asking important things in the debate [...]

]]> By: Unintended Consequences. « ModernityBlog http://blog.38degrees.org.uk/2010/04/06/20684-of-us-demand-a-proper-debate-on-the-digital-economy-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-1426 Unintended Consequences. « ModernityBlog Fri, 09 Apr 2010 21:00:21 +0000 http://blog.38degrees.org.uk/?p=780#comment-1426 [...] 14: The 38 degrees advert that was ignored. Possibly related posts: (automatically generated)Rebel, rebel! Open letters* on Digital Economy [...] [...] 14: The 38 degrees advert that was ignored. Possibly related posts: (automatically generated)Rebel, rebel! Open letters* on Digital Economy [...]

]]> By: An end to democracy. | thebettertwin http://blog.38degrees.org.uk/2010/04/06/20684-of-us-demand-a-proper-debate-on-the-digital-economy-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-1381 An end to democracy. | thebettertwin Fri, 09 Apr 2010 12:14:32 +0000 http://blog.38degrees.org.uk/?p=780#comment-1381 [...] was the one who introduced the Bill (to claims that it was written by the big media corporations), over 20,000 people emailed their MP’s to demand a debate reflective of the size and scope of the bill and only 40 [...] [...] was the one who introduced the Bill (to claims that it was written by the big media corporations), over 20,000 people emailed their MP’s to demand a debate reflective of the size and scope of the bill and only 40 [...]

]]> By: Social media insights from #DEBill / we are social http://blog.38degrees.org.uk/2010/04/06/20684-of-us-demand-a-proper-debate-on-the-digital-economy-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-1308 Social media insights from #DEBill / we are social Thu, 08 Apr 2010 11:18:53 +0000 http://blog.38degrees.org.uk/?p=780#comment-1308 [...] Within five days, £20,000 had been raised using Twitter, email and blogging to drive donations. [...] [...] Within five days, £20,000 had been raised using Twitter, email and blogging to drive donations. [...]

]]> By: poppajay http://blog.38degrees.org.uk/2010/04/06/20684-of-us-demand-a-proper-debate-on-the-digital-economy-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-3871 poppajay Wed, 07 Apr 2010 22:07:08 +0000 http://blog.38degrees.org.uk/?p=780#comment-3871 You ask, "It's quite simple. How do new artistes make money from their work if it's stolen as soon as it appears?"<br><br>I ask you, is it possible to 'copy' or 'steal' a live performance? <br>Artists can still gig and tour. They can still be paid for TV and radio performances. They WILL still make money from single and album sales.<br>What I can see happening is the creation of a new and 'fairer' business model whereby artists/actors will have to work a little harder for a little less and the industry will have to accept a lower revenues. I don't see this as a big deal, if anything I feel it's about bloody time. Why should artists make 10's of millions of pounds for recording music or acting in a movie? Why should the industry make even more? I also look forward to a world where the same thing happens to the sports industry. <br><br>The grotesque earnings of musicians/actors and sports stars are quite simply not in accord with the wishes of the common man who has to work much harder for a hell of a lot less. Now if we just figure out a way to curb the earning potentials of bankers we would be a whole lot closer to a better and fairer future 'for all' and not just the few. <br><br>I would suggest that the real theft is the extortionate profits the artists and the music industry have been making though the 'illegal' intellectual property rights. You ask, “It's quite simple. How do new artistes make money from their work if it's stolen as soon as it appears?”

I ask you, is it possible to 'copy' or 'steal' a live performance?
Artists can still gig and tour. They can still be paid for TV and radio performances. They WILL still make money from single and album sales.
What I can see happening is the creation of a new and 'fairer' business model whereby artists/actors will have to work a little harder for a little less and the industry will have to accept a lower revenues. I don't see this as a big deal, if anything I feel it's about bloody time. Why should artists make 10's of millions of pounds for recording music or acting in a movie? Why should the industry make even more? I also look forward to a world where the same thing happens to the sports industry.

The grotesque earnings of musicians/actors and sports stars are quite simply not in accord with the wishes of the common man who has to work much harder for a hell of a lot less. Now if we just figure out a way to curb the earning potentials of bankers we would be a whole lot closer to a better and fairer future 'for all' and not just the few.

I would suggest that the real theft is the extortionate profits the artists and the music industry have been making though the 'illegal' intellectual property rights.

]]> By: orion7 http://blog.38degrees.org.uk/2010/04/06/20684-of-us-demand-a-proper-debate-on-the-digital-economy-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-3872 orion7 Wed, 07 Apr 2010 19:35:03 +0000 http://blog.38degrees.org.uk/?p=780#comment-3872 Granted, you make some valid points. However, this bill actually works badly for independent artists. Under the orphans section, it would be legal for a company, ie the BBC, to take a picture by a freelance photographer/artist and use without payment or recognition or restriction (and most importantly its for commercial use!). Yet if Joe Bloggs downloads dizzee rascals new track for personal use, he can have his internet taken away. So who is it benefiting? Its not just about music Granted, you make some valid points. However, this bill actually works badly for independent artists. Under the orphans section, it would be legal for a company, ie the BBC, to take a picture by a freelance photographer/artist and use without payment or recognition or restriction (and most importantly its for commercial use!). Yet if Joe Bloggs downloads dizzee rascals new track for personal use, he can have his internet taken away. So who is it benefiting? Its not just about music

]]> By: jimbo http://blog.38degrees.org.uk/2010/04/06/20684-of-us-demand-a-proper-debate-on-the-digital-economy-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-3870 jimbo Wed, 07 Apr 2010 17:39:19 +0000 http://blog.38degrees.org.uk/?p=780#comment-3870 there are very few people who are averse to paying for music and/or movies. i, for one, do so when i hear an album or see a movie trailor that appears to be worth it. what is ridiculous is the fact that the various content industries dont want to do anything themselves to try to minimise so-called piracy. i dont understand why they will not listen to their own fans and make the content available for download from their own web sites at sensible prices, reasonable speed, excellent quality and drm free. after all media companies like Sony want people to buy dvd (now blueray) burners, blank disks and software to allow the burning of files on to the disks. after paying for this equipment plus the computer and the broadband connection, why on earth is it then being made illegal to use it? on top of which, the Government wants the whole country to be on super fast broadband as soon as possible (2012?) only to restrict its use. why would anyone want broadband above 2meg/sec if all it can be used for is to open emails and book holidays? fast broadband is for downloading big files. make them available and 'piracy' will greatly diminish naturally, keeping employment up. seems stupid to me to keep one industry in employment at the detriment of others. there are very few people who are averse to paying for music and/or movies. i, for one, do so when i hear an album or see a movie trailor that appears to be worth it. what is ridiculous is the fact that the various content industries dont want to do anything themselves to try to minimise so-called piracy. i dont understand why they will not listen to their own fans and make the content available for download from their own web sites at sensible prices, reasonable speed, excellent quality and drm free. after all media companies like Sony want people to buy dvd (now blueray) burners, blank disks and software to allow the burning of files on to the disks. after paying for this equipment plus the computer and the broadband connection, why on earth is it then being made illegal to use it? on top of which, the Government wants the whole country to be on super fast broadband as soon as possible (2012?) only to restrict its use. why would anyone want broadband above 2meg/sec if all it can be used for is to open emails and book holidays? fast broadband is for downloading big files. make them available and 'piracy' will greatly diminish naturally, keeping employment up. seems stupid to me to keep one industry in employment at the detriment of others.

]]> By: poppajay http://blog.38degrees.org.uk/2010/04/06/20684-of-us-demand-a-proper-debate-on-the-digital-economy-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-1299 poppajay Wed, 07 Apr 2010 15:07:08 +0000 http://blog.38degrees.org.uk/?p=780#comment-1299 You ask, "It's quite simple. How do new artistes make money from their work if it's stolen as soon as it appears?"<br><br>I ask you, is it possible to 'copy' or 'steal' a live performance? <br>Artists can still gig and tour. They can still be paid for TV and radio performances. They WILL still make money from single and album sales.<br>What I can see happening is the creation of a new and 'fairer' business model whereby artists/actors will have to work a little harder for a little less and the industry will have to accept a lower revenues. I don't see this as a big deal, if anything I feel it's about bloody time. Why should artists make 10's of millions of pounds for recording music or acting in a movie? Why should the industry make even more? I also look forward to a world where the same thing happens to the sports industry. <br><br>The grotesque earnings of musicians/actors and sports stars are quite simply not in accord with the wishes of the common man who has to work much harder for a hell of a lot less. Now if we just figure out a way to curb the earning potentials of bankers we would be a whole lot closer to a better and fairer future 'for all' and not just the few. <br><br>I would suggest that the real theft is the extortionate profits the artists and the music industry have been making though the 'illegal' intellectual property rights. You ask, “It's quite simple. How do new artistes make money from their work if it's stolen as soon as it appears?”

I ask you, is it possible to 'copy' or 'steal' a live performance?
Artists can still gig and tour. They can still be paid for TV and radio performances. They WILL still make money from single and album sales.
What I can see happening is the creation of a new and 'fairer' business model whereby artists/actors will have to work a little harder for a little less and the industry will have to accept a lower revenues. I don't see this as a big deal, if anything I feel it's about bloody time. Why should artists make 10's of millions of pounds for recording music or acting in a movie? Why should the industry make even more? I also look forward to a world where the same thing happens to the sports industry.

The grotesque earnings of musicians/actors and sports stars are quite simply not in accord with the wishes of the common man who has to work much harder for a hell of a lot less. Now if we just figure out a way to curb the earning potentials of bankers we would be a whole lot closer to a better and fairer future 'for all' and not just the few.

I would suggest that the real theft is the extortionate profits the artists and the music industry have been making though the 'illegal' intellectual property rights.

]]> By: orion7 http://blog.38degrees.org.uk/2010/04/06/20684-of-us-demand-a-proper-debate-on-the-digital-economy-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-1293 orion7 Wed, 07 Apr 2010 12:35:03 +0000 http://blog.38degrees.org.uk/?p=780#comment-1293 Granted, you make some valid points. However, this bill actually works badly for independent artists. Under the orphans section, it would be legal for a company, ie the BBC, to take a picture by a freelance photographer/artist and use without payment or recognition or restriction (and most importantly its for commercial use!). Yet if Joe Bloggs downloads dizzee rascals new track for personal use, he can have his internet taken away. So who is it benefiting? Its not just about music Granted, you make some valid points. However, this bill actually works badly for independent artists. Under the orphans section, it would be legal for a company, ie the BBC, to take a picture by a freelance photographer/artist and use without payment or recognition or restriction (and most importantly its for commercial use!). Yet if Joe Bloggs downloads dizzee rascals new track for personal use, he can have his internet taken away. So who is it benefiting? Its not just about music

]]> By: jimbo http://blog.38degrees.org.uk/2010/04/06/20684-of-us-demand-a-proper-debate-on-the-digital-economy-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-1288 jimbo Wed, 07 Apr 2010 10:39:19 +0000 http://blog.38degrees.org.uk/?p=780#comment-1288 there are very few people who are averse to paying for music and/or movies. i, for one, do so when i hear an album or see a movie trailor that appears to be worth it. what is ridiculous is the fact that the various content industries dont want to do anything themselves to try to minimise so-called piracy. i dont understand why they will not listen to their own fans and make the content available for download from their own web sites at sensible prices, reasonable speed, excellent quality and drm free. after all media companies like Sony want people to buy dvd (now blueray) burners, blank disks and software to allow the burning of files on to the disks. after paying for this equipment plus the computer and the broadband connection, why on earth is it then being made illegal to use it? on top of which, the Government wants the whole country to be on super fast broadband as soon as possible (2012?) only to restrict its use. why would anyone want broadband above 2meg/sec if all it can be used for is to open emails and book holidays? fast broadband is for downloading big files. make them available and 'piracy' will greatly diminish naturally, keeping employment up. seems stupid to me to keep one industry in employment at the detriment of others. there are very few people who are averse to paying for music and/or movies. i, for one, do so when i hear an album or see a movie trailor that appears to be worth it. what is ridiculous is the fact that the various content industries dont want to do anything themselves to try to minimise so-called piracy. i dont understand why they will not listen to their own fans and make the content available for download from their own web sites at sensible prices, reasonable speed, excellent quality and drm free. after all media companies like Sony want people to buy dvd (now blueray) burners, blank disks and software to allow the burning of files on to the disks. after paying for this equipment plus the computer and the broadband connection, why on earth is it then being made illegal to use it? on top of which, the Government wants the whole country to be on super fast broadband as soon as possible (2012?) only to restrict its use. why would anyone want broadband above 2meg/sec if all it can be used for is to open emails and book holidays? fast broadband is for downloading big files. make them available and 'piracy' will greatly diminish naturally, keeping employment up. seems stupid to me to keep one industry in employment at the detriment of others.

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